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Council Approves Housing Reforms, AC Pilot - City Council Meeting - 22 Apr 26
Kingston · April 22, 2026
Transportation policies committee. Can I get a mover in a
seconder for the added move by Councillor Shananni, seconded by
Councillor Ridge. All those in favor. Opposed, and that's carried.
Are there any disclosures that pecuniary interests. Councillor Amos.
There's about a city commission whose management in fiduciary duty
were lacking. KFHC and its board are pleased with the
positive findings of our review. We are reliable city -
run partner organisation that is professional and accountable. It is
witness to the dedication of the Corporation and city staff,
the Board and Council that this review found operational management
and financial duties compliant. Through the review, favorable annual audits,
effective government, with policies and procedures in place to affect
this, and sound operational management, KFHC is shown to be
competently run. CafeHC is more than doubled its equity from
35 million dollars 15 years ago. Increased our capital reserves
to 4. 5 million from several hundred thousand and have
a balance sheet of 16 million dollars. Our footprint expanded
by 65 percent over the same time, and there are
two shovel - ready projects available whenever development funding is
released. More housing is needed, and this prompted board discussions
on the usefulness of a subsidiary to focus on the
development of purpose - built, affordable rental housing. Expertise was
gained in this area through successful completions of projects like
13, 16 Princess Street managed in - house. The success
of this report, notwithstanding, we are befuddled that the report
indicated, and I quote, KFHC meets HSA requirements, service manager
expectations, and the shareholder agreement, but found it strange that
KFAC needs to quote a line better with strategic goals
and day - to - day operations of shareholder priorities.
The board welcomes feedback on how to be better aligned.
And in my four years on the board, I heard
no indication of being out of alignment. In two generous
meetings by senior staff with the board, specific examples are
still lacking. It was also observed as odd that no
board members were interviewed in our operational review. It would
seem good governance to have had included us in this
review for a report of this nature. The review identified
that roles and responsibilities need greater clarification. This clarity can
assist the service manager and KFHC to complement their joint
and shareholder mandated arm's length work. We see value in
regular service manager and KFHC meetings and to formalize relationship
by adding an exophysio member of city staff to the
board to support our work. This work is outlined in
our five - year strategic plans reviewed and approved by
this council. The current plan activated in 2024 is to
quote, build and provide quality, affordable housing, advocate for caring
communities and report and support promote respect, excuse me. 30
seconds. To achieve this, the corporation mandates a robust financial
situation that I outlined earlier. And through repeated audits by
KPMG, this is proven to be the case. KFHC is
succeeding with prudent fiscal and corporate management. We orient our
effort so that the affordability portion of the housing continuum
is strong and healthy in Kingston. Through our plan, audits
and annual reports, we meet the changing dynamics of housing
while aligning with the direction of Council as Soil shareholder.
We celebrate our continued work with the city to deliver
on our shared priorities and our mandate. And on behalf
of the board, I thank you. Thank you. You're clocked
in at four minutes, 59 seconds. I went over it
once or twice. Thank you. Any questions from Council. Okay,
C9, thank you very much. Okay, moving on to our
next delegation. We'll invite Tara Keener to Peer Beer For
Council to speak to Clause 1, report number 38 from
the CAO, respect to the municipal residential air conditioner assistance
program. Thank you for the opportunity of speaking to you
this evening. Let me say at the outset that I
hope you will support option two of CAO hurdles proposed
air conditioner assistance program. Her plan requests only 17, 000
dollars from the city's environmental reserve fund and likely will
help a maximum of 35 people. However, as a pilot,
the program can be evaluated. Its need demonstrated and subsequently
it can be expanded and improved to serve additional Kingston
households next summer. Given the long winter and cold spring
we've had, it's hard to imagine summer. But it's coming.
And increasingly heat is the most dangerous aspect of climate
change. Currently it is responsible for the death of one
human being every minute on earth. Has carbon emissions continue
to increase temperatures will continue to rise. The danger has
reached the point where cooling systems are critical infrastructure for
housing. Just as heating systems are needed to keep us
warm in winter. Globally, the past 11 years have been
the hottest in history with Canada warming twice as fast
as anywhere else on earth. But with the onset of
a super El Nino this year, 2027 looks increasingly likely
to set a new record, perhaps by a sizable margin.
Long - term forecasts are equally dire. Predicting that the
number of heat deaths will increase 100 percent by 2050.
Jacqueline Wilson's letter, which I hope you all received, in
support of option two is informed by her expertise as
a lawyer for the Canadian environmental law Association and her
familiarity with air conditioner, assistance programs, and both Toronto and
Hamilton. She makes the case that in the context of
excessive indoor heat, air conditioning is not a luxury. On
the contrary, it is an essential public health intervention that
will protect the health of low - income tenants, in
particular and save lives. Climate Catastrophe is sudden and unpredictable.
No one expected in the summer of 2021 that the
town of Litten, B. C. would reach 49. 6 degrees
Celsius. The highest temperature ever recorded in Canada, and that
619 BC residents would die from the heat and a
span of a week. One study investigating the BC heat
dome deaths concluded that poverty is the biggest risk factor
for dying from extreme heat. That's because people living below
the poverty line are more likely to have health issues,
live in substandard housing, and lack the resources needed to
protect themselves. Recommendations of the study included implementing heat alerts
and providing air conditioning in the short term as the
most effective means of presenting death. The most important lesson
that we can learn from investigations of past heat waves
in Canada and other regions of the world is that
every heat - related death is preventable. Kingston's proposed pilot
will cost the city far less than the million dollars
Toronto is spending on its AC program. But nevertheless, it
has the potential of huge returns thought of saving lives.
I urge you to support option two of your chief
administrative officers'recommendation to implement a residential air conditioner pilot program
this summer and to Direct staff to report back in
2027 with an assessment of the outcomes. A delay will
mean a lack of protection for Kingston's most vulnerable facing
increasingly intense heat as the climate changes. Thank you. Thank
you very much. Are there any questions from Council. Okay,
thank you. Thank you. Okay, and then our third and
final delegation this evening. We'll invite to Kevin Smith, who
will appear before Council to speak to clause two. Report
number 37 from the CAO, respect to the Kingston and
Fraunk House Incorporation Operational Review. Good evening. My name is
Kevin, and I'm a member of the Housing and Homeless
Des Advisory Committee. I've experienced housing and stability myself. So
I pay close attention to how these systems actually work
on the ground. It's encouraging to see the progress that
Kingston front neck housing corporation has made an expanding housing,
but accountability and transparency are just as important as growth.
When there are gaps in reporting or unclear rules that
can impact how effectively support reaches tenants, I support strengthening
the government framework. And I hope Council continue. Could you
just move a little bit closer to the microphone? That
might help. Should I start over? No, you can just
continue where you were. That can impact how effectively support
reaches tenants. I support strengthening the government framework, and I
hope Council continues to focus on clear oversight and ensuring
that housing systems are working for the people who rely
on them. Housing isn't just policy, it's people's lives, and
getting this right truly matters. Okay, thank you very much.
Are there any questions? Okay, Mr. Smith, thank you. Okay.
That takes us to the end of our delegations. Are
there any petitions to present. Council Glad. Thank you. I
have a petition to present. No urban boundary expansion decisions
without full fiscal and environmental transparency. Uh, as of 1245
PM today, it had 557 signatures. It's asking that the
city continue with the official plan revisions, but without making
any decision on or providing city staff with direction on
where to move the urban growth boundary until after all
relevant reports have been completed, made public, and presented it
public meetings at which members of the public can hear
presentations on the contents of the reports and ask questions.
Okay, thank you very much. If there are no other
petitions, we have no deferred motions, we have no special
motions. Uh, no briefings that this moment, so we'll move
to report number 36 from the CAO. Move by Councillor
Amos, seconded by Councillor Shaves at Report 36 from the
Chief Administrative Officer consent be received and adopted. Okay, there
are two clauses. Would anyone like to deal with them
separately? Well, I guess we needed to do that. Okay,
so first we will deal with clause one. 2025 year
- end financial report. Okay, we will call the vote,
please.
And that carries. Okay, on to clause two, bylaw to
amend city of Kingston by La. Number 2021 - 91,
a bylaw to establish and regulate a fire department for
the city of Kingston. We'll call the vote.
And that cures. Okay, on to report number 37 from
the CAO. Moved by Councillor Ridge, sected by Councillor Toso,
that report 37 from the Chief Administer of Officer recommend
be received and adopted clause - by - clause. Okay,
so for Clause 1, we have a briefing regarding the
Kingston from NAC House In Corporation Operational Review. Uh, so
I will hand things over to Commissioner Campbell to kick
things off.
There we go. Uh, thank you, and through you. Um,
so I'm incredibly thankful to be here tonight on behalf
of The Housing and Social Services team to assist in
presenting the findings of the Kingston Frontic Housing Corps. Operational
review. Um, I'm joined tonight by Mitchell Grange, who's our
policy manager in Social Housing. And I also do want
to share regrets from Director Hartley, who is currently overseas
and is unable to make the meeting tonight. Uh, as
shared earlier from the board itself, this review marks an
important step for the city as service manager and for
the housing corporation. As the community's largest social housing and
affordable housing provider, it offers an independent, comprehensive assessment of
Kingston Frotknack Housing Corporations Operations across governance, tenant relations, financial
management and facility maintenance. Overall, the findings of this review
highlight that the Corporation is meeting, and in many cases,
exceeding our legislative in - service manager requirements. Recommendations are
aimed at strengthening governance alignment, improving transparency, and supporting more
integrated and effective operations. Taken together the recommendations provide a
practical forward - looking roadmap to the existing to build
on existing strengths and ensure continued delivery of high -
quality housing services. Subject to Council's approval, I do want
to clarify that following this staff will work closely with
the corporation. Um, the board to advance the recommended actions
and bring forward corresponding updates, um, in particular, changes to
the shareholder agreement. Those will need to be brought to
Council for consideration at the next shareholder meeting, uh, which
is currently scheduled for June 16, 2026. Um, so with
that said, I'm going to turn it over to Ann
Lindsay, who is our consultant from KPMG, who will share
a summary of the operational review and its key recommendations.
Hi everyone. Uh, my name's Anne Lindsey. I'm a senior
manager with KPMG's public sector advisory practice, and I was
the lead engagement manager on this file. So KPMG was
engaged to complete an operational and governance review of the
Kingston Frontenk Housing Corporation. The objectives of the review were
to complete two key scopes of work. One was a
comprehensive operational review focused on governance, resident tenant relations, finance,
and maintenance. And this scope of work was to identify
areas where KFHC was meeting the requirements of legislation and
the housing services act to identify any gaps. The second
scope of work was to review the current governance structure
and funding model and ensure alignment with the shareholder and
service manager objectives. The project was
broken down into five phases. Uh, phase two was the
operational and compliance review. Phase three consisted of the funding
model in governance review. And phase four is where we
pulled the key findings of both phases together. To identify
the opportunities. I'm going to begin by speaking about the
results of the operational review. There were a number of
key strengths that KFHC demonstrated throughout the operational review. One
was the large volume of properties that KFHC maintains. And
the maintenance activities around those properties are very well documented.
Their calendarized, and they have active building inspections that occur
on a weekly basis. KFHC has also demonstrated their ability
to bring new affordable and mixed income housing projects to
the market, as well as converting underutilized common space into
new rental units. That proactively increased the housing supply. Additionally,
there's nine arms length local housing corporations throughout the province
that share benchmarking and KPIs. And KFHC demonstrated that they're
performing above average in a number of key areas compared
to these nine other LHCs. Finally, KFHC has comprehensive board
governance procedures and policies in place that are well documented
and strong operational structures supporting these functions. Overall, KFHC is
largely in compliance with the housing services act. The service
manager requirements and the shareholder agreement with some minor gaps.
KFHC's Board Bylaws allow committees to set quorums for decision
- making, which does create a risk that a key
committee such as finance may make decisions with as few
as two board members present. So this could potentially limit
the oversight of the full board. So our recommendation is
to update the bylaws to reflect existing practice, which is
that the role of the finance committee is advisory only.
And require full board approval for any financial decisions. KFHC's
market rent used to calculate the rent geared to income
subsidy is currently below the CMHC average market rent. And
it's also not connected to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs
and Housings Market Rent Indexes. So KFHC is bringing their
baseline rents into alignment with these indexes upon vacancy, but
our recommendation is to align those baseline rents in a
more systematic way with targeted annual increases instead of the
vacancy only increases. There'll be no impact to the rent
geared to income tenants due to their income - based
limits. At the time of the review, there was lack
in clarity regarding who had responsibility for completing annual reviews
for dual status tenants. Those are tenants that are currently
housed at KFHC and that are also on the centralized
wait list. As well as we had lacking clarity on
KFHC's compliance with the service manager's centralized wait list directives.
So our recommendation to close this gap is to increase
that communication between the service manager and KFHC to ensure
compliance with the centralized wait list directives. As well as
the clarity regarding who's responsible for those annual reviews. KFHC
acquired townhomes Kingston properties in 2022 and had not yet
updated the preventative maintenance plan to reflect those properties. So
to be in compliance with the housing services act, the
preventative maintenance plan needs to be updated to include those
properties, but that was another minor gap that was identified.
So next I'm going to speak to our finance and
funding model analysis. The annual information return, we call it
the air, is the providence's standardized tool for verifying subsidy
entitlement and is required by service managers across the province
as a core accountability mechanism for local housing corporations and
nonprofits. Since bringing townhomes Kingston on board in 2022, it
was mutually agreed upon between KFHC and the city to
discontinue reporting through the air. And KFHC's current practice is
to submit an annual budget to the city to obtain
their subsidy and funding. The discontinuation of the air has
limited the city's ability to compare KFHC's funding needs to
ministry benchmarks. It's increasing the risk of under or overfunding
over time. So our recommendation is to reinstate the requirement
to complete the air. To come into compliance with the
housing services act, as well as to improve transparency. The
air provides a detailed snapshot into unit activity that right
now is not readily available to the service manager. Additionally,
we're recommending a debt management policy be implemented in consultation
with the city's finance department. KFHC's total liabilities have increased
in recent years, but this is due to the housing
development projects that they have taken on. We have no
concerns regarding their current total debt load, but we're just
recommending that a debt management policy be put in place
to a mitigate any future risk in this area. Next,
I'm going to move on to the findings from the
governance review. So the shareholder in the service manager identified
a number of challenges with the current governance structure, such
as insufficient reporting to ensure alignment to service manager requirements
and legislation. As well as a strange partnership and concerns
that KFHC may be drifting from its core mandate to
provide safe, adequate RGI housing for low - income households.
The objective of the future state of governance for KFHC
was really to ensure that perfect alignment with its core
mandate and strategic direction through greater oversight and continue the
strong financial stewardship and sustainability of the corporation.
To achieve the future state objectives, we propose two key
adjustments to the governance model. One was formalizing the reporting
relationship between KFHC and the Director of Housing and Social
Services who would represent the city as the shareholder. And
two, adjusting the board composition to ensure greater alignment between
KFHC and the city's strategic direction. In this model, KFHC
maintains independence from the city and continues to drive operational
decisions, but the KFHC Board is restructured to incorporate a
greater city influence. The proposed structure includes the city's CAO
or designate. Two members of Council, one tenant representative and
four community skills - based board members. The Community Board
members would include the tenant representative would be selected by
the city's nominations committee. This slide represents the changes to
the KFHC bylaws from 2017 to 2020, which is the
current state of the bylaws. And then the proposed future
state changes. So there'd be no change to the ratification
of board members, which is achieved through the recommendation of
appointment through the city's nomination committee. The CAO are designate
role on the board would be added. And the term
of limitation, the term of appointment would be, would have
no limitation to term. And since the time the report
was issued, we do understand city, staff, and KFHC have
had subsequent discussions regarding the KFHC's boards ability to retain
authority to elect their own chairperson. And we understand staffer
recommending that the board retain that authority KPMG has no
concerns with that change. Finally, we're also bringing forward here
the recommendation from earlier just to adjust the bylaws that
reflect the role of the finance committee as advisory only
and require full border approval for financial decisions. The changes
to the governance structure recommended through this review directly aligned
to principals and objectives that are outlined clearly in the
shareholder agreement originally created between the city and KFHC in
2004. The future state changed to include tenant representation on
the board aligns directly to principals and objectives that indicate
that tenants and other stakeholders shall have the opportunity to
participate in decision - making within the corporation. The future
state change to include monthly reporting from the Corporation to
the Service Manager through the Director of Housing and Social
Services aligns to the principles of openness, transparency, and accountability.
And regular reporting to the shareholder on operations. And the
future state changes to the KFHC board member composition. We'll
exercise greater influence on the corporations strategic direction and ensure
alignment between the city as the shareholder. That concludes my
presentation for the evening. Okay. Thank you very much. Are
there any questions. Council Glen. Uh, thank you. And through
you. So thank you very much for the briefing. And
giving us a good summary on that. I just wanted
to clarify, because I'm not sure that I misheard during
the delegations. Can you just clarify who was consulted in
the exercise of doing this review. So who did you
consult with. Through your worship? Um, we consulted with the
city's housing and social service division. So a number of
staff and leadership from the Division. We also spent a
number of days on - site at KFHC during the
review and had a lengthy interviews with KFHC leadership. Okay,
thank you for confirming that. Um, and I hope this
is the appropriate time to ask this next question. It
has to do with the report itself. Um, I'm just
wondering if somebody could explain the market rent setting strategy
that's outlined there. I think that the title of it
can be misleading and I would just like it to
be clarified what that actually means and the benefits to
it. Uh, thank you for your question and through you
Mayor Paterson. Um, so market rents in social housing, uh,
through KFHC, they have a mixed portfolio. So the RGI
portfolio is seen differently in their exempt from the RTA
and the annual rent increase guidelines. So they are, um,
permitted to increase rents at any time. Uh, the benefit
of doing that, it will increase their, uh, operating subsidy
to a certain level. It is capped by ministry indices,
uh, but currently they're well below what they're entitled to.
So increasing will support their operating subsidy. And then as
they are mixed portfolio, they are able to increase their
market rents as per the RTA. Um, at any annual
basis. And then upon vacancy, they're able to increase market
rents to whatever they feel, um, the market may dictate.
We like to see them around AMR 80 percent AMR.
But it's a board decision. Thank you very much. I
appreciate that. Okay. Seeing no other questions. Thank you very
much. Okay. So with that, we'll move to clause two.
Kingston fraudnack housing corporation operational review. Councillor. Thank you Mayor
Paterson through you. I just have a minor amendment to
make. On the review. Okay. Clerk's have it. Okay. Yeah.
We'll just pause the pause your time.
Okay. So you don't have to read. I can just
summarize if you want to speak to it. Yeah. So
the report actually recommends reducing them, uh, member of skill
based community members by two. And I'm just going to
keep, uh, recommending to Council to keep the skill based
community members the same and just add two additional, uh,
TAM representative and a member of staff that's going to
be an ex official on the board. We have very
talented members on the board. It's just more or less
keeping the board members dies quo and just adding to
the board. I talked to staff there in support of
this. Yeah. It's a, it's a minor governance changes, but
we have a lot of change over on the board
and it helps with institutional memory. So I just has
Councillor's support this. Otherwise I'm fine with the rest of
the operational governance review. Okay. Thank you. So, uh, so
this amendment's been moved by Councillor Tozo. Seconded by Councillor
Hamas. Okay. Um, is there any, any other debate or
discussion on the, uh, motion to amend. Okay. We will
call the vote.
And that carries. Uh, any other comments on clause two
now as amended. Okay. We'll call the hope, please.
And that carries. Okay. Clause three province of Ontario's new
bring your own BYOB alcoholic beverages for events. Can't service.
Thank you, Mayor Paterson, through you. So this has been
an interesting read and an interesting report to say the
least. I have a number of questions and concerns about
this. And I know it's a recommendation for staff to
further develop a report and then finalise it and then
bring it back to Council for review. And I guess
I'm going to start off by saying I'm not in
favor of this. I don't think we need to go
down this road. I don't think, um, we need to
have our staff utilise their time in a deep dive
endeavour that, uh, the province feels that everyone can drink
whenever they want. However, they want in an event. And
I think that sets various events up. For failure. Concerns.
And some of the questions, I mean, if this passes
and my fellow colleagues are okay with this, so be
it. And then, then these questions I ask for staff
that they be put in the report. So. What happens
with crowd safety and security. Where do police and bylaw
come into this. What happens with emergency medical response. When
we already have a 911 system under pressure. What is
considered for site design. What if the event is near
water. Transportation and impaired driving. Who's responsible. Because right now
there is no, we have in our own bylaws set
ways on how events are to run and what the
province is proposing. This won't be covered. Children and youth
events. If this is a family focused event, how close
are we going to allow alcohol and consumption to the
event. Neighbourhood impact. So what happens with complaints at
real time. How is that handled. Legal. Insurance, liability.
Who's responsible. Is it the organiser? Is it municipality? Is
the permit holder. Next is enforcement and staffing capacity. Do
we have enough staff. To even handle this. And I'm
looking at our bylaw officer right now. And that's a
question for you to think about. And I don't even,
if you want to try and answer that, I'll leave
it for you to answer. Coppempo. Thank you and through
you mayor Paterson. Um, it's a big question. There's obviously
from the enforcement aspect. I would say that we would
anticipate an increased amendment enforcement. Necessary for this program. Because,
you know, the realities of what I would be thinking
this program would entail would be a focus on evenings,
weekends around our tourism season. Uh, we know our, you
know, I would say transparently that we are being stressed
then in terms of our resources and allocation for our
by law enforcement team. Um, there would definitely have to
be a much larger engagement in terms of like the
review to answer a lot of your questions that you
posed. I would say that, um, unlike traditional licensed events
where alcohol service is controlled, uh, to bring your own
beer, um, act or what we're calling it ships enforcement
more towards behavioral monitoring. So what I've implied by that
is again, to your point managing public intoxication and disorderly
conduct. We would have to be more prevalent to, you
know, these types of concerns, monitoring, compliance with the designated
consumption zones that it would be approved. Um, you know,
the requirements for security plans fencing those types of things
would have to be considered, uh, in terms of what
we would be reviewing, capacity limits in crowd management, um,
addressing spillover impacts, uh, into the surrounding neighbourhoods to more
of your point. Um, so in short, it would put
more of an emphasis on our resources, specifically as municipality.
Kingston police play a role on this. And I don't
want to speak on behalf of Kingston, please. But I
would suggest probably a similar circumstance. Um, I think also,
you know, part of my concern would be that we
would have to really have a focus on public engagement
for this process, a strong focus, because I think this
program blurs the lines in terms of what would be
allowed and what would not be allowed. And I think
that would be, um, a task in itself just to
make sure that the, uh, the community is well understanding
what this program is and isn't. And I think that
would definitely have been packs on our resources. Well, Director
Compo, I think you've served a very plainly right there.
I appreciate your honesty. We already have a licensed beverage
system that works in this city. The province is giving
us an opte. I would strongly encourage my fellow councillors.
To vote no on this. We don't need to entertain
this. We don't need to have someone show up with
a keg to a random event. Or a cooler full
of beer to a random event. Set up their lawn
chairs, enjoy the event. And then all of a sudden
everything breaks loose. And we don't have control mechanisms in
place. And as indicated, our bylaw team has already stretched
in. Our police force, as we've heard multiple times from
our police chief, is stretched thin. So now we're leaving
it to the event organisers to manage this. And that's
not a realistic expectation, I think, that can be met.
Our beverage license system works. I think it needs to
stay in that lane. I guess I'll close with, we
need to seriously think about what are we doing as
a city. With so many events. And we are sponsoring
events. We have neighbourhood activation fund that is going out
to each of our districts. We're large events are taking
place. Portsmouth district had a movie event. Last year, we
had 150 people show up. Roughly. 30 seconds. Thank you.
It wasn't intended to be an alcohol event. But now
according to the province, anyone can show up. And start
drinking. It's supposed to be a family - friendly event.
I hope you will seriously consider this. Please vote no.
We don't need to waste staff time going down this
rabbit hole. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Next is Councillor
Rich. Thank you. Your worship and through you. Um, so
can staff walk me through what happens when somebody brings
a six pack of beer to a park and they're
drinking. What's the standard procedure right now? Mr. Compo. Thank
you and three of you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so the
standard procedure is that, uh, that's public, uh, consumption. It's
against the license act. And they could be, uh, find,
um, or for the rest collation for enforcement could take
place. So in essence, they're not allowed to be consuming
in municipal spaces. Okay. Uh, through you, your worship. Thank
you very much. So I'm, I'm of two thoughts on
this. So the primary one is that I think that,
you know, adults reasonably should be able to, you know.
Responsibly imbibe in public spaces, uh, I mean, I don't
think that that's necessarily an issue if you're responsible adult.
Um, but I do hear Councillor Amos's Points about the,
the insurance, the hosting of the events, all of those,
uh, issues that come up. I don't think that everything
is going to become like the, the Tencent beer night
event, uh, from the 70s, but it's, there is still,
it's an important piece to consider. So I am a
heating Councillor Amos's words. On this. I wish that there
was more nuance in what it is that we, as
municipality has been, have been presented with. So thank you.
I thank you, Cancer Toso. Thank you Mayor Paterson for
you. I appreciate my colleagues measured remarks because mine are
not going to be measured. Um, I was looking at
the budget and looking for any type of resources for
housing and homelessness or anything related to the environment and
climate change. And I saw that the province was laying
as, have people bring their own beer to a park.
Wow. This is what the province is handing us for
additional municipal tools for the problems that we're having in
our city. Who's asking for this. Uh, I actually think
Councillor Amos said it very well. We're going to devote
our time and resources on this on an issue that
isn't a problem and they're offering us a solution. What's
with this province and alcohol your worship? I have no
idea that the solution for everything is, Oh, we have
a infrastructure problem. Go down to your chorus and grab
a six pack of beer. Oh, we have a housing
homelessness issue. Hell would bring beer go park. Like what
is this? Why are we like, why are we exploring
this. I'm just, my vote on this is going to
be no just because I'm so infuriated that this was
a mispriority of this government. I think it's just at
a gas you're worship. Thank you. Okay. Uh, thank you.
Councillor Clip. Thank you and through you. Um, so I
do have a question for staff with regards to this.
So do you anticipate that if we don't have a
look at the implications that we are going to have
members of the public come and ask us about this
anyways. Commissioner. Thank you. And through you. So certainly because
the province put this out by way of one of
their media releases. We wanted to bring the report here
just for education purposes. We certainly don't know all the
information. All of the, um, the details about how this
would roll out. This is why the recommendation is about
us doing some more work and bringing something back. But
we had suspected if we didn't bring something for it,
Council was informed either way. Okay. So thank you for
that. So I think I want to bring this back
down to what the recommendation is here. It's, it's to
make sure we understand the implications. And I think anecdotally
and certainly through comments that have been made. We have
a pretty good idea. But the reality is every time
something comes forward, uh, from the province, we get a
community that's divided about their thoughts on it. So, um,
going back to, I think one of the core things
that we've done around this horseshoe over the last few
years is we make sure that we've got all the
information. I have no issues getting information. Um, yes, I
would prefer that they spend more time at the provincial
level concentrating on housing and homelessness. And, you know, I
was hopeful the premier would just donate his plane because
we sure could use one here. But seeing as that's
not reality, um, uh, I would like us to stay
grounded in getting good information and evidence. Uh, I'm not
supportive of obviously overtaxing any of our, um, staff. I'm
also not in support of seeing debauchery on the streets.
But at the same time, I want to give unequivocal
answers to the public on what this really means to
our city. So I'm going to vote in favor of
getting the information. I think that's a prudent move to
make, um, this doesn't say that we're going to do
anything other than get it back, review it and allow
the public to know that we've done our due diligence
in this case. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Shapes. Thank
you. Um, I do have some concerns with this fairly
grave. Let's get some clarification on here. Does this legislation
or potential illustration give a blanket approval for people to
drink and public spaces. Mr. Coppel. Three, Mr. Mayor. I
know it does not. Okay. So it would be for
organisers who are organised in an event. To apply for
a permit. Would that be the case? Just a couple.
Thank you. Uh, that would be the case. We as
staff would have to take it back and look at
the type of phased approach that we want to recommend.
But yeah, again, it would be specific to what you're
saying. An organised good op not to have this permit.
There'd be two separate permits, one with the public field
YB and not. Stock it. Do your Mayor Patterson. That's
correct. There will still be the special occasion permit and
the BYOB permanent available through the AGCO. Okay. Um, so
when people are bringing in their own beard to these
events, who would be modering that they're of legal age.
To consumer Paterson, that's information that we do not have
currently from the framework and is part of our review
in this process. My other concern would be, this announcement
was made by the province. It's going to be probably
continuing to be made. People are just going to probably
assume that they can bring their own liquor to a
different events or to open spaces. And how are we
going to be managing that our organisers? Because people will
show up with their case of too far to an
event. And they're going to be told, no, you can't
bring that in. And I can see issues coming to
that. So any comments to that. Um, I think as
commissioner Agnew was speaking to, you know, part of our
strategy and bringing this report to Council was to raise
some public awareness around, uh, what we're facing and what
the decision of Kingston will be. But I think to
what Director Campo was saying that there would be the
existing process at this point if someone shows up in
a park with a six pack of beer. My other
concern, which I brought this up with some events at
the Memorial Centre, um, like rip fast when they were
serving alcohol. Was a type of containers that they're be
using. And the fact that it's a public space and
kids can be playing there with bare feet and everything
else. And like I said, the containers. And I was
assured that the organisers had small plastic cups. So with
this aspect, is there any restriction with type of containers
that individuals could bring to an event, namely, um, glass
bottles of beer. So you mayor Patterson, that information is
not available to us. It's on the municipality to establish
that criteria, including the containers that are allowed through this
permit process. Cause that would be a concern of mine.
And here's another concern. Um, who limits? Currently the way
the process we have, we have servers who are certified
to serve drinks in individuals and to take note if
someone has been overserved and stop them from drinking any
further. What happens when someone brings Joan Beer, they're overly
intoxicated. They decide leave the event. Get into an incident
and accident. Well, I guess not an accident that involves
a collision and someone gets injured or, or worse. Um,
anyone. I know this is speculation, but liability issues. Miss
Morley. Thank you. And through your worship. As a reminder,
this is a report directing staff to come back with
precisely that type of information around liability concerns. So we
do not have the specific information that is being requested
right now. Thank you on that. I just want to
bring that point up right now. Um, it is a
concern of mine. I do have concerns with our staffing
compliment. Um, I brought this up. We've constantly put more
pressure on all of our staff, especially by law in
the past. I have budget concerns. In regards to this
as well. We're in a straight, but in regards to
bylaw already stretched beyond their current capacity due to unhoused
encampments and incidents and which are already affecting other areas
of enforcement such as parking in other areas. So I
do have concerns regards to this potential coming to the
city. So thank you. Thank you, Councillor Sun. Thank you,
worship and through you. I was just looking in the
report and laughing this still. It's just a recommendation to
come back anyway. Thank you Councillor Emmets for bringing the
detail concerned. I have the same concern. So I'm not
going to go to the detail. I'll just say just
think about homecoming week. Just think about St. Paddy Day.
Just think about any other such event the game days.
People, we have enough people on the street. Currently. The
city is going through a lot of challenges about the,
um, Mental Health. And Addiction already. And I want to
thank you to Province of Ontario to introducing the new
burden to the municipalities. And we don't have enough staff
in the bylaus to respond to the regular calls from
the constituent's or to the resident of Kingston for minor
things. The police response time is already exceeded the standard
time. Also facing the same issue. If we have such
a program or such a recommendation implemented in the city,
just imagine all the ambulance, all the fire trucks will
be rushing around all day long. The emergency will be
flirted with the people with the minor energies or minor
stuff. So I don't know what is the province of
Ontario is thinking to which direction they are taking our
society today. And which direction we are having socially. It
is a political, but socially is very bad for our
country, for our society. Especially the young children. At this
time, I will say it's okay to get the report
back and see what is the other implication or complication
can be with this program. But I am scared for
my, probably the grandchildren. If they have to bring their
own booze everywhere in their hands and walking on the
Princess Street and yelling and screaming and telling the people
I'm drinking, so is the other people. That will be
brutal. That will be very bad. So I urge to
the Council colleagues. So if we want to send this
one of the recommendation back to the staff to come
back with the report, uh, that, that is good. But
when it's comeback, we will turn it down. Definitely. We
should ban and we should continue our program and our,
the way we are handling right now, the licensing and
the bevering system. I think that's the best to keep
a control ourselves. We won't be part of this. Thank
you, Councillor Steven. Thank you Mayor Paterson. Um, I have
concerns as well. In fact, I think this is probably
terrible policy, but, um, actually not but. And alcohol culture
is changing. People don't drink the same way they used
to. The kid's coming up are healthier and smarter than
we ever were. So I think the future is bright
in that way. Um, that said, even with those concerns,
I do, I do want to support the staff recommendation
because I think if we're going to make a decision,
it's better to make an informed decision. And this will
give the community a chance to have their say, um,
we know that Kingston people really care about engagement, um,
and so I'm certain there are lots of opinions out
there on both sides. And I'm curious to hear the
arguments. So, uh, I'll be supporting us. Thank you. Thank
you. Councillor Stoff. Yeah. Thank you Mayor Paterson. Just a
bit confused. Um, I, I agree with everybody here. So
we're all trying to, I think it's very bizarre that
a provincial government would put this, make this possible. Um,
terrible. What I would like to know is we do
we not have the authority Mayor Paterson to already say
that we don't want to participate. Why wouldn't we have
that motion first and then not give staff that. So
I think we do have that ability. Like maybe staff
want to just clarify. We could, we could just choose
to opt out right now. That's also, is that correct,
Commissioner Agni? Uh, thank you. And through you. So essentially
the way the recommendations have been written if Council wanted
to opt out. I think if you voted against the
recommendations staff would not have the direction to move forward
and do any more work. And then the issue would
just stay as it is, no further work. Municipality making
a decision not to pursue at this time. Right. That's
interesting. Um, because the work is there. It says to
determine if council wishes to participate. But I'm pretty sure
we don't. So, um, if we don't support this motion,
then that's like saying we don't support, um, participation. So
I guess that's what I will do. Not support this.
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Denny. Thank you and through
you. Um, so I had a question. So say, like,
do we have to do this now? Like, could we
not just wait until like we've seen what other municipalities,
how it's been going and then like what kind of
issues or problems that they've had. Could we revisit this
at a later time? I'm not currently, I'm not supported
of this in this, in this form, because it's like
other people have brought up say if it's done using
a provider that, you know, is licensed to serve, then
if somebody has gone too far, then they can like
limit. They can say you're cut off. Um, but if
you bring your own, then you're kind of. You're not
limited by anyone except for yourself or your friends. Um,
so yeah, so my question is could we revisit this
at a later time once everything has other municipalities may
have started doing it. And then we can see like
what the results are. Commisstracking. Thank you. And through you
certainly council as the ability to defer decision on this
until the time or places that they're choosing with their
rationale if they want to. This is an opt -
in situation. So the municipality has to decide to participate.
It's optional. And there isn't a timing associated with that.
So that would be up to Council to make that
decision. Okay. So we need to defer it for that.
Or what if we vote no on this? Is this
something that could be revisited like a year or two
down the line. Commissaging. Thank you and through you the
way the recommendation clauses are worded. I think if council
chose to vote against them, that would be giving us
direction not to pursue it at this time. However, um,
a deferral motion would be a different direction for understanding
depending on the time or place that the differ roll
was associated with. I'm just going to jump in with.
A question on that. So right now the timing of
the recommendation says the Councillor Director staff to return to
Council no later than Q2 2027. So let's say that's
a year away. So, um, so I think just to
kind of expand on that previous point, are we saying,
is there space to kind of take a wait and
see approach. And then staff could come back to council
closer to the end of that timeline or is it
deferral still required if council wants to take that wait
and see approach? Commissioner Kimmel? Uh, thank you and through
you. Um, I think it's staff's understanding that if the
motion was to be supported or the recommended score to
be supported as the written staff would begin doing work.
Um, and so I don't know that we would have
the opportunity to delay that work. Um, so a substantive
amount of work would be done before we report back
to Council of Council really want staff to take a
pause and not execute any work until Council contemplates this.
And perhaps council is deferring until the recommended time in
the current clauses at which time you would contemplate the
recommend. And we would then undertake the work. Council Standing.
Okay. Um, I think that that would be reasonable because
at this point I wouldn't want any work to be
staff resources to be taken when we don't really know,
um, and personally, I don't think I know enough about
it. To make a decision. But at this point I
would be a no. So. I'm trying to think. Now
I don't think I'll do a bra. I think I'll
just vote no. Okay. Thank you. Next is, um, Deputy
Marabom. Okay. And that's a pass Councilloc. Thank you, your
worship. I'll be voting no too. Because if the new
council wants to race this again, they just have to
bring emotion to say we want to opt in or
go through the exact, you know, the writing is right
there for their motion at that time. So I think
it's easier if we just vote yes or no to
this recommendation tonight. Thank you. Thank you Council McLaren. Thank
you. May I ask, um, when does this actually, the
provincial thing become available for say other cities to opt
in. Through you mayor. Thank you. Uh, the BYOB permit
is available as of April 30th, 2026. Okay. So if
I understand this right, other cities could opt in at
the end of this month. And if they do and
we have tourists from other cities coming to Kingston thinking
that it is acceptable here as well, that's going to
cause an enforcement problem almost immediately. Can I ask, um.
Does the current way we handle this contemplate tourists, mass
tourists. Perhaps we want to encourage them to come here.
Thinking about how to do this. And second question is
associate with that. If we were to pass this, would
staff look at this as a way to perhaps look
at improving our current permit framework. Should, um, should, um,
mass numbers of other people thinking that they can do
this. Say people moving to Kingston over the next few
years or over the next year, um, be educated on
this. So two questions. Thank
you, Mr. Mayor. You may have to repeat the second
one to those jotting down my thoughts on your first
one. In terms of tourism, um, you know, it's hard
to get an understanding of, you know, what individuals coming
to Kingston would be informed of. Obviously, um, you know,
sort of the provinces put us into a situation where
it's up to each municipality. Um, I can tell you
at least from our initial conversations, there's been a lot
of the conversation that we've heard from our colleagues around
the province that's marrying what we're talking about in Council
tonight that there is, um, an appetite to view what
other municipalities are doing before they're opting into this. So
I can say anecdotally right now is that we have
not heard that any municipality is going forward with that.
That's on our limited research at this point or conversations.
Um, but in terms of the tourism, um, you know,
again, that's coming back to the public engagement that we're,
I think one way or another going to have to,
uh, go ahead to the community and make, uh, awareness
happen in terms of what council decision is. Thank you.
And so the second part of that, uh, question was
say the public engagement. Would that help inform perhaps any
review or any improvements to the current bylaws considering the
more permissive nature of alcohol consumption in the province. Through
you Mayor Paterson. Um, I mean, I think for this
report, there is no intention at this point to review
or update the municipal alcohol policy. Uh, it serves the
purpose that we utilise it right now. So there wouldn't
be any sort of, um, direction at this point or
intention to review or update our current policy, which again,
does guide the provision of alcohol on municipal property through
the existing special occasion permit process. Thank you. And I
guess last question about how many staff personne hours do
you expect that this report would generate in work effort.
Through you Mayor Patterson, it's hard to project that. I
mean, I think the report does outline the various departments,
uh, that would need to be consulted as part of
this review. It also speaks to sort of broad public
engagement, engagement with partners. So it is not an insignificant
amount of work to make sure that whatever we're bringing
information back to council that outlines the full picture, uh,
for Kingston and Council is consideration. Okay.
Well, I did not expect an extended debate on this
particular issue, but here we are. Deputy Mayor, would you
take the chair. Thank you your worship and I see
you. And remind you to stay within your time. Thank
you. Thank you, Deputy Bear. I'll be sure not to
drone on and on. Thank you very much. Um, I
mean, I think, I think at the heart of this
is on the one hand wanting to get information in
order to make an evidence - based decision one way
or the other. On the other hand, I'm also sympathetic
to the argument of why waste staff's time if we
are absolutely already convinced this is not a road that
we want to go down. So I think that's the
question that I think we're confronted with. I think that
Councillor Osanic actually raises a good point that there's always
an opportunity to bring something forward again if we find
that there's an opportunity or a proponent that really wants
to push for this. But I tend to agree that,
uh, we've got a lot going on as a city.
Our staff time is valuable. Uh, and I think our
staff are hearing the debate around the table right now.
There's no way that this would pass. So I think
given that, my preference would be just to give staff
a clear no at this point and let's have them
work on other projects that are more important for the
city. Thank you. Thank you your worship and thank you
for keeping it short. And I return the chair. Thank
you. Okay. Uh, with that, we will call the vote
on clause three.
Okay. And that loses by a vote of zero to
13. Okay. All right. Um, with that, we'll move to
clause four. Patterson park. If no one wants to speak
to clause four, we will call the vote, please.
And that carries. So that was on clause four, Patterson
Park. Okay. With that, we'll move on to report number
38 from the CAO. Excuse me. Move from Councillor's move
by Councillor Santa, except it by Councillor Osterhoff that report
38 from the chief administrative officer, consider be received and
considered. Okay. So this is a considered report. So I
will look to a member of Council to move one
of the two options. Councillo Glenn. I'd like to move
option two, please. Okay. Is there a seconder? Second by
Council McLaren. Option two is on the floor. Councillor Glenn,
uh, you can now speak to it. Thank you. And
through you. So, uh, as we've heard, I think time
and time again, uh, in this chamber, we're seeing the
impacts of extreme heat. Hopefully we are not going to,
um, as Miss Caehner mentioned, uh, experience that this summer.
However, I'm not, I'm not particularly hopeful. So I'm hoping
that everyone will support this. This is a modest amount
of money to help out some of the most vulnerable
people. And it's a pilot. It gives us an opportunity
to see what kind of positive impact we can have
on this situation. So right now we're looking at individuals
over 65, uh, with self - declared medical conditions, uh,
to give them a little bit of relief. So I'm
not going to belabor the point. I think it's, um,
it's fairly straightforward. I think it's a compassionate consideration for
us. And hopefully we will get a bit of warmth
soon. It's a little cold out there. So, um, with
that, I hope everyone will support option two. I think
it's reasonable. Um, and I think it adds, uh, benefit
and help for some of the people that are going
to struggle the most this summer in the heat. Okay.
Thank you. Councillor Ridge. Thank you. Your worship interview. Just
a couple of questions for staff. Uh, can Steph clarify
why the 17, 000 was the amount that was screwed
upon for the pilot project. So you heard. Thank you.
And, uh, through you, Mr. Mayor. So this particular amount
was utilised in terms of trying to target a number
of units that could be purchased. So when we looked
at the cost of units, um, in purchasing in bulk
in particular through the city, um, we also looked at
funds that are available through our different reserves. So we're
trying to manage obviously our expenditures, but recognising that we,
we need to look at some investment. So we've tried
to put in a balance here in terms of the,
um, investment. Uh, thank you very much. And through you,
um, your worship. I, so I noticed in the report
that the estimated cost for the air conditioning unit was
approximately 450 to 500 dollars. I'm just wondering why the
cost was so high for the unit. Is there like
a technical specifications that are required or something? So you
hurdle. Thank you. And through you, Mr. Mayor, so the
units that we looked at are the 10, 000 BTUs.
And I apologise if, um, uh, I believe that is
the right technical term. It can cool down a space
of approximately 450 square feet. Uh, the numbers that we
received in terms of the cost came from different providers.
So we did look at different companies and providers. There
are a few places where we can get them slightly
cheaper than that. And we would obviously look at trying
to get a better price. But I would be concerned
with going unit that is not able to cool down
a space that's sufficient for a resident. So that's what
we try to look at. And I believe that's what
is also being used within the other programs Toronto and
Hamilton. Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, Inso your worship.
I just appreciate the, the clarifications because there were some
questions that have been raised both by myself and others
who were in support of this program. So I will
be voting in favor of this. So thank you. Thank
you Councillor Straf. Thank you Mayor Patterson. Um, I'm just
concerned that this, have we considered that the landlord tenant
board has already, um, come up with guidelines for landlords.
Why are we, why are we doing this at a
municipal level. And what is the liability that we are
carrying? I know it's not a lot of money, but
as air conditioners cool, I'll room down. The wires get
hot. And most people don't have a clue. That many,
many houses can't handle air conditioner. Where they put them
in by windows. And, um, there are, there is an
electrical hazard created. And, um, that's a lifetime of experience
telling you that. So. I'd like to ask, I guess
from a legal point of view, if they are not
installed correctly. Um. What are we doing. Miss Marley. Thank
you. And through your worship, the province did introduce amendments
to the residential tendencies act several years ago with respect
to the installation of window air conditioning units. Unfortunately, those
provisions have never been brought into effect. So landlords are
not currently obligated to permit the installation of air conditioning
units. Uh, from a liability perspective, as I understand it,
this is simply, um, a grant of money or an
air conditioner unit itself. The city wouldn't be assuming any
responsibility with respect to installation of the unit. That's concerning.
Thank you. And, uh, through Mr. Mayor, as indicated in
the report, um, United Way, and we've been working with
United Way. They have concerned that, um, confirm that they're
volunteers will be supporting the distribution and installation of these
units. The other thing too, to add is, and you
probably have seen this in the report in other communities,
the tenants are requested or required to inform their landlord.
Um, we would apply the same thing. So this is
something that obviously we would ask any individual that would
be receiving a unit to make sure that they inform
their landlord. Okay. Well, I appreciate that. That's probably the
most important point for me. Um, that the landlord would
know. I'm just wondering, I'm quite sure in my industry
that there's still someone's going to be responsible. So I
remain uncomfortable because it's not certain because, uh, I wouldn't
even want one situation where the overheating. And I know
too much. So, um, though I, I appreciate that it's
not a lot of money right now. Um, but it
could lead to that. So I can't support it without,
um, knowing and knowing that there might be an electrical
hazard created. And there's no certainty that that is a
qualified person making that decision. Okay. Thank you. Uh, is
there anybody else that wishes to speak. Councillor Sun. Thank
you, worshipping through you. So if this pillar project becomes
successful, are we planning to provide more money to the,
uh, more people. And the second question is if something
goes wrong with the unit after Installe required, who will
be responsible for those repairs on yearly bids? It has
to have a service on every year. See you, Hurdle.
Thank you. Um, in terms of the, uh, the future
of the project, um, the continuation of the program. Councillor,
I would suggest that once we complete an evaluation of
the distribution and how it has had impact implication, the
community, we would come back to Council with information and
recommendation for next steps. As far as the maintenance, the
day - to - day maintenance of the unit that
falls under the tenant responsibility, that's what we're also seeing
for most program. I think Toronto's the only one where
they do have a contractor that actually provides some additional
support. But Toronto's program is obviously much bigger than ours.
Second question again about the repair. So if the person
who cannot afford at the first place to get the
unit and installed themselves, how they will be able to
repair or take the cost for further repair. So you
heard all? Thank you. And, uh, and through you, Mr.
Mayor. So there are definitely, I'm assuming some warranty on
the unit that would carry for a period of time
beyond that your correct councillor. And I would say the
same thing for utilities. There would be utility costs associated
with this. Um, as indicated in the other programs, all
other programs do not cover utility costs either. So those
are all things that would need to be made very
clear with the individual receiving the unit, but obviously the
city cannot be responsible for the ongoing maintenance of these
portable units that would be installed in individuals'homes. So
again, if the person is with the fixed income or
low income and has the unit and their hydro cost
go up and they are not able to pay their
bills two month, three months in a row, definitely they're
not going to have the electricity. So then unit will
be sitting there not in use or they're not going
to use the unit. And what is the circumstances after
that? How are we going to take that unit? Give
it to somebody else. So we're going to take it
back. Thank you. And through you, Mr. Mayor. I can't
comment on what's going to happen in Kingston. I don't
know. Um, because we haven't obviously rolled out this program.
What I can say is I can speak to the
other programs that have been implemented in other communities. So
these are not fictitious programs. There are real programs that
have been operating in Hamilton and Toronto. People that have
received units have paid for their increase in cost. Um,
and I've continued to be responsible for the unit. In
Hamilton in particular, they only receive a subsidy and that
will often most likely not even cover the full cost
of the unit. Um, they're also responsible to actually have
it, um, distributed to their home, whether they're, they're actually
ordering it or they're picking it up in their responsible
for the installation. So it is obviously feasible and viable
in other communities. And I think that's the information we're
presenting to Council. To your question, uh, Councillor, if there
were real issues where people couldn't pay for IDRO and
that created a significant problem down the road, we would
report that back to Council when we do the evaluation
of the program. Thank you very much. I think it's
a great program, especially the category of the people who
are going to receive that. It looks very good. And
it's a good program I will support this time. The
question was just on technical base. How is the future
look like after this program, we implemented. Thank you. Uh,
okay. Is there anybody else that wishes to speak? Oh,
Councillor Tozo, I have you next. Thank you, your worship.
I'll be quick. Um, bulk purchaser, where are we getting
this from? Like it says we'll have a bulk purchase.
Is this like Costco or something? Just being a little
funny there. Okay. Do you hurtle? Thank you. And through
you. So we haven't obviously completed the purchasing yet because
we don't yet have council approval. We usually prefer to
do that first. So in terms of, of purchases, we've
looked at pricing so far at different companies, including Rona,
but some of these stores. So we will get in
some other local companies. We will get a number of
quotes and work with that. Perfect. I think that we,
if we don't have a pilot, we don't know the
information and more information is almost always better, almost always.
Thank you. Okay. Is there anybody else that was just
to speak Council Glenn any final words. Thank you for
all the conversation. And we'll just vote. Okay. With that,
we will vote.
That carries by vote of 12 to one cancer Osterhoff
opposed. Okay. Um, moving on to report number 39 from
Planning Committee. Move by Councillor Chanani seconded by Councillor Stephen.
The report 39 from the Planning Committee be received and
adopted. Okay. There are two clauses. Would anyone like to
deal with them separately. Not, we'll vote on them as
a whole. So first we have clause one zoning by
Law Amendment 1152 1158 Montreal Street. Clause two zoning bylaw
amendment 3980 highway two. We'll call vote, please.
And that carries. Next we have report number 40 from
the environment Infrastructure and Transportation Policies Committee. Move by Councillor
Shave, seconded by Councillor Tozo that report 40 from the
Environment Infrastructure and Transportation Policies Committee be received and adopted.
There is just the one clause Better Holmes Kingston bylaw
update. We'll call The Vote.
And that carries by vote of 12 to one Councillor
Osterhaw post. Okay. We have nothing from Committee of the
whole. Information reports. If you have any questions, just raise
your hand as I read through them. Uh, so number
one, 2025 development charges reserve fund statement. Councillor Shapes. Thank
you. Um, I have some concerns here. Uh, it's within
the report states approximately 90 million dollars. In development charges
at summer 31st, 2025 will be recognised at a later
date. A route receiving subsidies from the province regards to
this. Hold. Through you. Um, no, these are the deferrals
between the building permit issuance and the occupancy issuance date.
Um, that was legislatively changed, I think back in 2019.
Okay. Now my understanding is beyond planning for all these
years. There's tends to be delay between. The issuing of
a building permit. And the occupancy roughly between two to
four years at best. So how we bridging, cause we
still have to put in the infrastructure, spend those costs.
Um, in order to have that development happen. How we
bridging that gap between two to four years. It's false.
Through you, your worship. Um, currently we are utilising, um,
other funds in the development charges reserve. If that was
depleted, then we would have to look at, uh, utilising
taxation or rates to supplement in the interim. And how
much do we have that, uh, development charge reserve fund
right now. Through your worship. At the end of 2025,
we had approximately 15 million. So less than 19 million
dollars. And you're already touched on my next question, my
concern concerning we're in being quite concerned with our budget
and how we spend things. There's potential of either taking
debt or increase in taxes. And this is something that's
been brought on by the province. And I think the
feds have also done this too. We're not getting any
assistance up front to cover these costs. So we're basically
being told we have to do this. Without any assistance.
So that's my real concern here is it's the ones
who are going to be paying for this are our
taxpayers. Ms. Kennedy. Thank you. Through your ship, just to
add to Miss Fold's comments. So that is correct. Um,
there are a couple of options. So we can use
other municipal funds to offset for the timing difference. Um,
we can issue debt through development charges. And that would
be included in the background study those interest costs would
also be paid by development charges. I think the third
thing though, that, that we potentially will look at and
that a number of my treasure colleagues across the province
are looking at right now. Um, is the actual development
charge projects and can municipalities actually afford them in the
timing that we've got. Um, and I know there are
some reports that will be going to Council's looking at
some of that information. And we'll be looking at as
well in terms of the timing of projects and having
to push development related projects out because we just can't,
we just don't have the cash flow to pay for
that. Thanks for all that. I just want to bring
up my concerns on this and the potential impact it
could have. So thank you very much. Okay. Uh, so
we'll move on number two, February 2026, Tinder and Contract
Awards subject to delegation of authority. Number three. Canada, Ontario
Partnership to build initiative on Ontario Bill 98, the building
homes and improving transportation infrastructure Act 2026. Ketzer Rich. Thank
you, orshipment, through you. Um, so this was a very
excellent report and very diplomatically written. Um, this, so this
dissect is significant effects. And we were just talking about
development charges. Um, can staff please, uh, detail what affects
this legislation may have on the municipality's ability to collect
DCs. I'm Miss Kendi. Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor.
So, um, this particular act for Bill 98, the lot
with respect to the development charges, um, there is a
change to, uh, I believe a nonprofit retirement homes are
now going to be exempt. Um, but I think that
was the main thing with respect to development charges that
happened within this particular bill. Okay. Uh, thank you through
your worship. Um, okay. What potential complications will there be,
um, around planning and site planning if this legislation is,
uh, gain real innocent. Could be striked, dude. Thank you.
And through you. So certainly there are a number of
things that are contemplated. Some of the changes around environmental
regulation, site plan, um, in particular, um, the suggestion of
the removal of it all together as it's seen as
an impediment to getting shovels in the ground or certainly,
um, I think some interest groups have characterized it that
way in terms of the communications with the government. Um,
so those would be very significant changes for us in
terms of how we regulate planning a lot of the
detailed information, um, related to sites and how they function.
The buildings comes through the site plan process. So if
that is removed as part of new legislation, certainly we
would have to, um, have a significant look at our
development approvals process and figure out what we're still able
to regulate, what information we're still able to ask for
and where we could potentially ask for earlier in the
process as long as that isn't changed as well. Um,
so we will continue to follow this very closely. Um,
there's information that's in the legislation. And then they posted
at least five or six ERO postings, all simultaneously that
are all out for consultation. So we're trying to give
up to speed on all of them and certainly provide,
um, commentary as best as possible relative to what's on
the table and participating in any ministry, um, opportunities that
are coming up individually related to different ERO postings. Um,
but they are significant changes for sure. And, um, and
ones that we will keep council very closely in the
loop on. Thank you for that answer. And so my,
my last question is, is it as through your worship,
uh, with regards to that answer is, as Burden Sim
or onerous as site planning and planning process can be,
they often catch things that may, you know, complications that
may occur in the future as a result of, uh,
you know, looking at technical plans based on the information
that's been presented in this report. Could one foresee more
of those complications occurring thus, uh, potentially affecting how fast
housing can be developed. I'm sorry, Andrew, your worship. Can
you just clarify the last part of your question councillor?
I just want to make sure I understand properly. Uh,
of course. It was, uh, it was, so three worship,
it's a question about, by removing some of these processes
in the attempt to, uh, develop housing faster, could it
in fact have the opposite effect because things that would
have been caught in the current process are no longer
going to be caught. Basically. Uh, thank you. And through
you certainly that is a potential consequence of, of this
for sure, like I said, once we get to the
site plan stage, you're dealing with, um, buildings that are
mostly like fully designed and they're getting ready to go
through the building permit process. And you're also looking at
things like, um, site circulation safety, uh, detailed parking, um,
lots of detailed technical information, wind studies, those types of
things that come up, especially when we're dealing with multi
- residential buildings. So if in fact, um, site plan
is further amended to remove it all together significantly modify
it. There will be implications for sure. Um, I would
say beyond what we're, we're able to do right now
and what we've traditionally done. And we would have to
look at that and figure out the way to best
position the municipality to continue to make land use decisions
with the best information. I would suggest our approach would
that would be asking for earlier in the process, maybe
through a rezoning process or something. If we are able
to do that. But certainly we won't be the only
municipality identifying this as a concern. And I'm sure that
will come across strongly in the consultations and in the
feedback. But we will keep you posted on that. Thank
you. Thank you Councillor Glenn. Thank you and through you.
Um, so I will probably have a lot of questions
after the fact given, um, it was very lengthy report.
Thank you. But just a couple of quick things here
that are of concern to me. So with all this
in play, do we foresee potentially this delaying, uh, the
development of our new official plan. Uh, thank you. And
through you, we don't see so at this point. I
mean, the government has been quick to bring in legislation.
And then sometimes slow to bring in the implementing regulation.
And sometimes those ERO postings can be up for a
couple of years. And sometimes they move on them quickly.
So I would suggest based on our experience that, you
know, we continue with the process as it is now.
We don't see a major complication, but could this inform,
um, changes that we may need to make, you know,
in the future or future official plans for sure as
the province continues to work on this process of streamlining.
I think it's, you know, their intention to bring things,
um, into streamline and consistent approach from city to city
regardless of context. They're really focused on trying to get
down to the bare minimum of, of what municipalities are
looking at and making these decisions. Um, but we're not
flagging anything immediately or we would have identified that in
the report. Okay. Thank you for that. Um, so, you
know, I noted that in here there was a mention
of minimum lot sizes with what they're proposing to you
for see that having an impact on, uh, densification at
all. Um, thank you and through you. I mean, it
certainly could to some extent. We do have areas of
the city that have zoning that have minimum law areas.
It's not consistent everywhere. Um, certainly the, the approach on
that and what we've seen even in some of the,
um, the severance applications that haven't been supported by staff
over the last number of years of those decisions being
overturned at the OLT, uh, because from a provincial level,
the thinking about what's inappropriate lot size and the character
of a neighbourhood is in something that they're prioritizing. And
that's reflected in some of these further changes. They're talking
about or at least contemplating. So I would say that
it could have some impact, I would say. It's fairly
minimal. We don't have a lodge of huge lots everywhere.
Certainly some neighbourhoods of the city would have some greater
opportunity for that to happen if it is required, but
I wouldn't say that it's going to be something that
it's going to have a major impact everywhere all at
the same time. Okay. Thank you. Um, and so just
one other question. As I said, I have many. So
I'll just come and have a conversation at some point.
Um, but, uh, with regards to the Parkland piece, I'm
just trying to get clarification here because if I read
that correctly, the developer gets to identify the Parkland. Is
that what is going to be happening if this goes
through? Uh, thank you. And through you. Yes. That's the
intention is to have the manner in which Parkland is
determined going forward being fundamentally different from how we've negotiated
in the past and that it be more of a
developer - driven situation where they're identifying the park land
that will be provided as part of their obligatory offering
of that parkland, but they determine, um, the location of
as opposed to what we do now, whereas city staff
are very much directing where that's taking place. So essentially
handing control over what is constituting Park land in our
city to developers. Okay. I'm going to have issues with
that one, uh, wanting to make sure that that doesn't
happen. Um, I'll, I'll hold any other questions for now
because I know that, uh, other members probably have questions
as well, uh, but I think we have a lot
to discuss about this. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um,
so moving on, we have no, uh, information reports from
members of Council. Miscellaney's business. Move by Councillor Shave, seconded
by Councillor Ridge. Number one that the resignation of Era
McCauley from The Arts Culture Inheritage Advisory Committee be received
with regret. And in accordance with section 3. 3. 2D
of the public appointment policy, Amanda Baker be appointed from
the reserve pool to the Arts Culture and Heritage Advisory
Committee for term ending November 14, 2026. Number two, that
is requested by Taylor Tomco. Save your skin foundation city
council proclaim the month of May, 2026, Esmelanoma and skin
cancer awareness month in the city of Kingston. And the
number three, the resignation of Eric Davis from the Kingston
area tax and licensing commission be received with regret. Again,
that's moved by Councillor Shave, seconded by Councillor Bridge. We'll
call vote. All those in favor. Opposed. And that's carried.
Okay, we have two new motions tonight. Number one move
by Councillor Toso, seconded by Council Ridge. There's report number
26 - 021 received by Council on March 24th, 2026,
provided information on service - level agreements, SLAs between outside
organisations and various city departments. Where's the services provided under
the SLAs between the city and outside organisations cover wide
spectrum, including but not limited to housing and homelessness, childcare,
arts and culture, recreation, heritage. Transportation, tourism and economic development.
And whereas reporting to the city through these SLA's ranges
from monthly updates to annual reports to sharing of audited
financial statements. Whereas it is crucial that organisations receiving funding
from the city operate in a manner that is open
and transparent and demonstrates proper governance and accounting practices. Therefore
be it resolved that staff be directed to provide council
with all annual reports or audited financial statements provided to
the city by organisations with service level agreements, SLAs, was
said annual reports are audited financial statements to be placed
as communications on Council agendas with the exception of cases
where this information is already shared through council or committee
reporting. And that should an organisation with an SLA with
the city fail to provide any required documents. Council B
advised to this failure. And that staff be directed to
provide information regarding all active SLAs, including the mandates of
the partner organisations, the services to be provided under each
SLA. And methods for ensuring the terms of SLA are
upheld to the 2026 to 2030 term of Council as
part of its orientation activities. Councillor Toso, you have the
floor. Thank you Mayor Paterson through you. Uh, I'm pleased
to bring forward this motion today because it speaks to
a very civil principle. If an organisation is receiving public
money, it must be accountable to the public and council
must know that the rules are being followed. I believe
we all have a recent example of this not being
in the case. Uh, this motion is intent to put
safeguards in place so this never happens again. Um, through
a service level agreements, the city partners with a wide
range of organisations delivering important services, housing homelessness supports, childcare,
arts and culture recreation, tourism and economic development. And these
are vital services many in our community rely on. But
with investment comes responsibility. Right now reporting under these agreements,
uh, very significantly. And many cases, these reports go to
staff and managers and directors have discretion on them. Open
reporting is less consistent and less visible to council into
the public. So I'm going to staff, others go to
council. Our staff do great work, but I believe with
public money, uh, should come public transparency. That inconsistency is
the issue this motion seeks to address. What I am
proposing is not burdensome or controversial. It's about creating clear
consistent standards. Uh, that annual reports and audited financial statements
provide the city are also shared with council through our
agendas that when we're required reporting is not provide council
be made aware. And as we enter a new term
of council, that members be offered, well not mandatory offered
a full and transparent overview of all agreements and partner
organisations, including how they are monitored and enforced. Right now
onboarding is up to our partner organisation and let's face
it, it's pretty well hit and miss. And there's no
clear and consistent standards and reviews of mandates. Our residents
expect and deserve to know where their tax dollars are
being used and they expect us as council to exercise
proper oversight. And they expect that organisation is receiving public
funds or operating with strong governance and accountability. We all
saw tonight in an organisation that went through an operational
and governance review. And I think that's healthy standard practice.
This motions reinforces those expectations and creates a standard for
our partner organisations. To be clear, this is not about
questioning the value or work being done by our community
partners. Many of these are doing exceptional work under challenging
circumstances. But good work and good intentions do not replace
the need for transparency. In fact, I believe transparency increases
trust both for those organisations and for this in future
councils. At the end of the day, this is mentoring
that every dollar we invest is match with clear reporting,
proper oversight and confidence from the public we serve. This
is about transparency. This is about saying expectations in a
fair manner. This is about good governance. This is about
maintaining public trust. I would encourage my fellow councillors to
support this motion. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Is there
anybody else that was speak to new motion number one.
Okay. Uh, Councillor Rich, go ahead. Thank you. Your worshiping
through. Yes. I'll be brief. I agree with everything the
Councillor Tesla said. And I thank him for moving the
motion. And I was happy to second it. Um, yes.
Transparency Accountability are very important. And I just want to
say part of the reason one of the many reasons.
I found that this motion was such a good idea.
It's because we are currently experiencing what happens, um, when
transparency and accountability, uh, have not occurred. So yes, I'm
happy to support the motion. Thank you. Okay. With that,
then we will call the vote on new motion one.
And that carries. Okay. On to new motion number two,
move by Councillor Sanek, secated by Councillor Ssaan. Whereas the
continued growth in Kingston has caused causing increased speeding and
traffic on previously calm streets. Whereas there are a number
of intersections that do not meet the current warrants for
all way or three way stop signs. However, the intersections
are problematic and cause grave concerns to the citizens who
reside in these neighbourhoods as well as the drivers who
must navigate them. Whereas it is important and essential that
speeding and reckless driving with a neighbourhoods be curtailed and
mitigated for the safety and peace of mind of residents
and drivers. Therefore be resolved that a four - way
stop being installed at the following intersections. Mona Drive at
Woodbine Road, Drennan Street at Wilson Street, Regent Street at
Coruther's Avenue. Weed Hill Street at Swanfield Street, Mack Street
of Hellen Street. Williams Street at Wellington Street, Earl Street
at Syddenham Street. And then a three - way stop
sign be installed with the following intersections. Elmer Crescinet Clark
Drive, Anderson Drive at Chadwick Drive, Watersideway at Summer Street,
Watersideway, Biscain Street. Graceland Avenue and Lincoln Drive and Wheat
Hill Street at Grayson Drive North. Councillor Sanek, you have
the floor. Thank you, your worship. There are residents who
have been asking for stop signs as some locations for
many years. The province has removed speed enforcement cameras that
were used to slow down traffic. So what are the
other options? We know that Bullards don't work in all
situations. If you have a street with a really narrow
front yard, there's just not room to put, you know,
to Stow Park on the Street, have a bullard, and
then driveway. There's just not enough room. It makes the
street really tight, dangerous for anyone writing a bike. So
Bullards are not the answer. Plus also, they have to
be removed in the wintertime. Then we have pedestrian crossings.
There's the type D, that's the most common. They're the
ones that you just wait there by the pedestrian Crossing,
try to make eye contact with the drivers of the
vehicles, and they'll give way and let you cross over.
But as we get more of those pedestrian cross scenes
out there, we've been hearing that the drivers are not
all drivers are actually obeying those pedestrian D crossovers, which
is really disappointing. So, so then what's left? So the
tried and true stop signs that have been around, you
know, since we've had cars on the road, um, I
know that they require concrete, you know, to put into
the ground and concrete is more expensive, you know, with
inflation over the last many years. But they still work,
they're effective. They slow the traffic down to a stop,
and they allow illegal way for pedestrian to still cross
over that intersection. And these are the streets that we're
proposing. Thank you. Okay, thank you Councillor Sun. Thank you,
worship, and through you, and thank you Councillor Sanic, to
bring this motion. Uh, at this time I have a
menement to present today's motion. And Mr. Clark or Madam
Clunk has men on. Okay. Uh, sure. If we can,
if I just see that amendment on the screen. Uh,
okay. So I have an amendment, uh, so move by
Councillor Assan to amend new motion number two. Uh, as
follows in the first resolve clause by deleting bullet, wheat
hills, number four wheat heel street at Swanfield Street, and
renumbering the remaining bullets accordingly. In the second resolve clause
by deleting bullet six, wheat hill street at Grayson Drive
South. And then by adding the following is a third
resolve clause that a pedestrian crossover be installed at We
Dill Street at Swanfield Street and Wheat Hill Street at
Grayson Drive South. Secondared by Deputy Mayor Bohm. Kid Councillor
Sign, you can, you can speak. To. Thank you, Worship.
The reason for this amendment after talking to the transportation
and traffic department, um, we see, we recognise some technical
issues on that street for still now. And the new
measures, the recommended by the staff that I want to
try that. And we want to hold that stop sign
option for some other time if it's required. If we
resolve the issue, with the recommendation by the staff, we'll
be happy as well. That's all I want to say
at this moment. But, uh, I mean, the stop sign
is an answer for the traffic coming as well. But
in some cases is not as well. But I will
keep this option open for the future, but this time
I want to go with the recommendation from the staff.
Okay. Thank you. Deputy Marbel. Thank you. Worship and through
you just to jump on my colleague's comments there. I
think that's a great approach. Um, I did The Water
Sideway in Biscayne Street have the pedestrian crossover. Unfortunately after
monitoring it, it wasn't very successful. And the other concern
with the two that I picked there, are there's parks
right there. So the kids crossing. We tried The Pedestrian
Crossover in a sense almost made things worse because the
pedestrians anticipated the vehicle stopping. But the vehicles didn't stop
just because of painted lines. So I guess to follow
up on Councillo Sanic's comments, sometimes I agree we should
try the simple solutions first. Sometimes the simple mitigation measures
just or simply not functional. And that's why we get
here. And I know this is something we all hear
about. So it is nice to every now and then
kind of, you know, get these solved. And sometimes you
got to, you know, step right into the process, so
to speak. But let's not do that too often. Thanks.
Okay. Anybody else on the amendment. Only. Okay. So we
will call the vote on the amendment.
And that cures. Okay. So we're now back to the
new motion number two as amended. Is there any further
discussion? Councillor Ridge. Thank you, your worship and through you.
I also have an amendment for this motion. Okay. If
we can put that amendment up, please.
Uh, okay. Move by Councillor Ridge. Second by Councillor Toso.
That new motion number two be amended in the first
resolve clause to add John Street and Patrick state as
the eighth bullet point, uh, to read his follows. Therefore,
if we resolve that a four - way stop being
installed of the following intersections and then you just see
the addition of number eight, John Street at Patrick Street.
Councilloridge. Go ahead. Um, thank you, your worship. I intend
to take up the entirety of my time on this
amendment. I, no, it's just something that's been identified by
a number of constituents as having traffic and visibility issues.
So I just want to add it to the list.
That's all. I hope people support my amendment. Thank you.
Okay. Is there anybody else that wants to speak to
this. Okay. We will call the vote on the amendment,
please.
And that carries. Okay. Council shapes. Thank you. I also
have amendment for this motion, please. Is it. April 1st.
Okay. If we can put up that amendment, please.
Okay. The new motion number two, uh, be amended in
the second resolve clause by deleting bullet number two, Anderson
Drive at Chadwick Drive and renumbering the remaining boats accordingly.
Let's move by Council Shaves and Second Edby Council Rasa.
Cancer Shaves, you can speak to the amendment. Thank you.
I won't take long. Um, since putting this recommendation forward,
uh, speaking with transportation staff, been informed that a present
Crosswalk is going to be installed just down the street.
Which would basically nullify it because considering the distance. So
I'd rather have the best at Crossing at this point
in time. And I'm also further spoken with transportation, uh,
staff in regards to basically a new form of travelling.
We're bullards are narrow the street or a slowed out
of vehicles. And I think that's a good option. I've
been talking with a bit in a different location. So,
um, I'm going to go with that route and pull
this right now. So I would appreciate the sport. Okay.
Thank you. Anyone else on the amendment. Okay. We'll call
the vote, please.
And. That carries. Councillor. Thank you. Your worship through you.
I haven't amendment. I'm just joking. I don't have an
amendment. Uh, question I have is how much is this
casting us? Like all these stop signs. And multiple way
stops. Do we have a ballpark figure of how much.
Thank you. And through you, our program this year, we're
making upgrades to about 12 locations and it's 550, 000
dollars. Oh, wow. 50. Okay. All right. Good to know
for future ones. Uh, yeah. Thanks.
Depreend the chair. No. No. But I recognise you. Yes,
I will. So I was going to, I was going
to hold my tongue on this. But I am perturbed.
It seems that we just have a, my understanding or
my impression is that this motion has been fed in
perhaps Southern Counsel Senate. Were you consulting with district Councillors
on potential stops on locations? Okay. They didn't qualify. Okay.
I guess I appreciate that. I guess from my view
as mayor, what I'm seeing is a number of different
intersections without necessarily corresponding evidence or information with the whole
context, understanding. And I appreciate that there are times where
we do want to override staff policy or stuff recommendations.
So I'm in no way suggesting that that's an issue.
Um, there's a large number. And I'm just like, are
we, are there others that we should be considering here?
Like we have intersections all over the city. Uh, so.
I think I'm going to defer to Council on this.
But this shouldn't continue. I just think that there's got
to be a better system than this. I think if,
if the argument to be made that we want to
put a stop sign where staff would not otherwise recommend
it, then I think we should see those arguments and
be able to weigh that out. What I don't want
to see is that we start putting stop signs just
because that's where some residents want them. Because then that
will spread and everyone will know, okay, you just have
to ask for stop signs. And then we're going to
end up with stop signs like all over the place.
And then you start to get too many stop signs
and you know what will happen. Then people start running
the stop signs because they suddenly go in locations that
don't make sense. That's my rant for tonight. So take,
take that under advisement. I will defer to accounts on
this, but I'm going to ask that. We think about
maybe a better process and approach for future. Thank you,
Deputy Mayor. Thank you, worship. And I returned the chair.
Thank you. Is there anybody else that wishes to speak
deputy mayor Bohm go ahead. Thank you, worship. And, uh,
just to follow up your comments there, I think that
is exactly what needs to happen. I think when we
have processes where there's identified concerns in the community. And
Councillors bring it forward to staff. And then staff review
it and look at the modelling and go, well, yeah,
there's an issue. But our hands are tied because of
certain provincial regulations or it doesn't meet the threshold. Sometimes
in certain areas, there could be an issue, but it
just never really necessarily meets the threshold. So I do
agree we need to maybe have a motion that looks
at the overall policy of what would feed into this.
And that I think we also have to limit this
going forward because it can become the wild, wild west.
And we are all at the whims and desires of
our constituents. So for me in this instance and my
particular two, this has been an issue that's existed for
nine years that I've heard about. In those particular spots.
And I waited and waited. I let the pedestrian crossovers.
I, we tried other things. And it still persisted. And
then another part got added down the way. And it's
a very long winding road with no stop sign on
it at all. So I didn't just come to this
solution. You know, I was just like, oh, right there.
There was a lot of thought and a lot of
kind of information that built into this. So I take
your point there, your worship. You really do have to
be careful and kind of think through this. So I
think this would be the last one that I would
support in this format. And we need to come up
with a better way forward. To create a better process
that this feeds into. Thank you. Uh, okay. Thank you.
Councillor Son, you've already spoken. Yes, but you had to
speak to the new motion in order to put forward
the amendment. So, um. The only person that can speak
twice is cancerous sanic because she moved the motion. So
Councilloc, you can speak last. Is there anybody else that
has not spoken to the motion that wants to speak
to it. Okay. Councillo Seneca, you have the last word.
Yeah. Thank you, your worship. Um, I appreciate having the
last words. I think a lot of this has to
come with the planning of future subdivisions. I think that
they have to, like the stop signs have to be
built more in to keep traffic down. It's like slow
it down, especially because we don't have many other options
available to us. Um, like we just talked about, you
know, like the speed enforcement cameras. I know some people
hated them. Other people, they actually wanted them to have
them on their street. That's not associated with a public
school because they knew that it would slow cars down.
So, um, but we, I don't know what we see
at planning committee. It's not streets with stop signs at
every cross. Um, but some cities do use them a
lot. Prince Edward Drive in Octopaco. They have them all
the way down. Every crossover street stop sign. Yes, it
keeps traffic down. It might be an annoyance, but it
really slows down traffic. Brampton uses them a lot too.
Lambeth Crescent. There's not the warrants, but they have some,
you know, the four way stop signs. He's a wood
drive. I can give so many, um, examples. So, um,
also too, in this motion, you know, uh, we don't
specify the year. So we can spread it out. That's
why a year is not actually in the motion. It's
not saying, oh, these stop signs to be done in
2026. It can be spread out. And I know staff
have to do stop signs according to the warrants from
the MTO guidelines. But other municipalities, the city councillor does
bring motions together stop sign. And we've done that a
bit in the past. Maybe we need to do it
individually more. But I know that when I did at
Hudson Drive and Downing Street has been effective as far
as I've heard to slow traffic down. And, um, it's
made a difference in the neighbourhood and all the stop
signs on Catwood's drive from a long time ago between
Bayward's Drive and, um, Gardeners Road's Road. Been very effective
to slow the cars down. So thank you. Okay. We
will call the vote on new motion number two.
And that carries. Okay. Uh, we have no other new
motions. Are there any notices of motion. Okay. Sing none,
Madam Clerk crosses for minutes, please. Move by deputy Mayor
Bohm, seconded by Councillor Stephen. And the minutes of city
council meeting 2026 10 held Tuesday, April 7th, 2026 be
confirmed. Although, some favor. Opposed. And that's carried. Is there
any other business. Madam Clerk calls for bylaws, please? Move
by Councillor Glenn Second by Councillor McLaren that bylaw numbers
one through four, seven, and six be given their first
and second reading. All this in favor. Opposed. And that's
carried. Move by Councillor Quinn segmented by Councillor McLaren that
bylaw numbers two through five, seven, and six be given
their third reading. All this in favor. Opposed. And that's
carried. Motion to adjourn please. We buy Councillor Steven, seconded
by Councillor Shaves. All those in favor. Opposed, and we're
urgent.