1 2 3. Sound check. 1 2 3 Good afternoon and welcome to the downtown subcommittee meeting for August 13, 2026. Our third last meeting of this term of council. Actually, our last meeting of this term or second last meeting of this term, I should say. Sorry. There's three left this year including today's meeting. Going to call the meeting to order. We have quorum today and so I won't go over the list but know that quorum is in the room and staff have confirmed that everyone's here. We don't have any ceremonial activities for today. So I'll move right to the approval of the agenda. Are there any discussions on today's agenda? If not, I'll have a movement and second to approve the agenda as presented. Moved by member Braithweight, seconded by member Moran. Are there any any discussions questions about the agenda? Nope. Not seeing any. By show of hands, all those in favor? That is everyone. Thank you so much. We're on to declarations of conflicts of interest. Does anyone have one they want to declare? I'm not seeing any. We're on to item five. So fast, the adoption of the previous meeting minutes for June 11th, 2026. Can I please have a mover and seconder to adopt the minutes? And if you move the minutes, you just had to have been here at the meeting. Moved by Susie, seconded by Ryan. All those in favor, by show of hands. Thank you so much. We're on to item six, which are delegations. And before we begin our delegation for today, members are reminded that questions of the delegations or delegates are for clarification purposes only, not for debate. And note to our delegate, you'll have five minutes to complete your delegation. You'll hear a tone or you may hear a tone after the 4-minute mark. No, you won't hear a tone in this room. Sorry. We've transferred to uh city hall 264. And there are no tones here. So, when we get to the 5minute mark, I'll just sort of say, "Hey, can you wrap up?" That's the tone you'll get today. And so, Lori Brady, item 6.1, respecting ongoing safety issues in the downtown. The microphone is activated by pressing the little button where the person has got a speaking voice coming out, and you can start whenever you're ready. >> Okay. Thanks very much, Cameron. Um, first of all, thanks very much uh to the members of the committee. I've seen a lot of improvements in the last four years as a resident of downtown in the within the downtown BIA. So, thank you very much for your work. Um, yeah, my concern is contrary to uh newspaper headlines as a downtown resident, my greatest fear stepping out the front door of my building every day is not being hit by a random bullet or being stabbed randomly. It's getting run over by someone on a bike, a skateboard, or an e scooter on the sidewalk. And uh it's the sidewalk I'm talking about is King Street East within the uh downtown BIA, but I also uh walk a lot in uh uh James Street North area where the there's an unofficial BIA in the International Village. Um just yesterday um uh I was nearly hit by someone on a personal not a bird e scooter but a personal scooter um on the sidewalk and uh as was uh another pedestrian his dog was nearly hit by the same person who just took off cuz they were going very fast. Um, personally in the last four years, I've been hit twice by adult men riding their bikes on the sidewalk. And unless I'm incorrect, the law says if you're over 12 years old, you're not allowed to ride your bike on the sidewalk. Um, so I've been hit twice on James Street North. I saw a man stepping out of a business who was nearly um hit fullon by another adult man riding a skateboard. at speed. Uh so this isn't helpful to the businesses on these streets. Um King Street East in particular between Jackson Square and First Place, there's a lot of uh people using mobility devices. Unfortunately, there's also a lot of people using um people delivering food, takeout food from the restaurants between say Gore Park, King William, and James Street. And um I don't blame them for riding on the sidewalks because they just need to get from A to B and deliver that food as fast as they can. Um but they should not be taking up uh space with full ebikes that look like motorcycles on the sidewalk. Um I have spoken with the police uh on the foot patrol or at open streets in June. What can they do about this? The police I spoke with didn't know it was a problem. One officer said,"Well, um, you know, we're so visible, uh, as soon as someone who's riding on the sidewalk sees us, they'll just get off and they they can't catch up to them." Uh, I did see one police officer actually last Remembrance Day who was directing traffic, um, tell someone using a mobility device to get off the sidewalk. Uh, which I I think was incorrect, but I I'm not a lawyer. Um, I have contacted the folks who at the city who run the bird uh east scooter pilot and they said it was news to them that the bird scooters in particular were being operated on the sidewalks on James Street North and King Street East because the geo fencing is supposed to prevent them from doing that. I I've never seen anyone uh I mean I I looked into how the ecooter is supposed to prevent someone from operating it on the sidewalk and I have never seen that happen the process of of the the scooter motor slowing down. Um there is a means for citizens to complain to contact Bird uh with the high visibility three-digit ID number of a scooter. supposed to be on the stem of the scooter for bird to say, "Hey, this is being operated in a dangerous manner." Um, if you take a notice after the meeting, you'll find that I'd say 3/4 of the bird scooters out there are missing that high visibility code on the stem, especially the ones with the pink color on the stem. Maybe they're newer, um, but it it's quite hard for someone to actually report dangerous behavior. Uh so what I'm what I'd like uh of you to consider is could you please um put up some kind of signage in these high traffic pedestrian areas um to say you know please walk your bike or your e scooter in this area. I really like those slow down children at play signs that uh the city provided. Um and it's also stamped with the police logo. Um I got one myself and I stuck it on King Street last week. Uh it has kids at play. I'd really like the icon to say something like seniors dog walking, you know. um uh as well as deterrence as some kind of study of the volume of vehicles on the sidewalk versus pedestrians. I would like some kind of enforcement. Uh the police are supposed to enforce it under the Highway Traffic Act. Uh educational opportunities um such as the next open streets in September. Maybe the police could do some blitzes, things like trying to educate people. If they can't catch people on in motion, they can certainly go to where the couriers for the food hang out in front of the restaurants and say, "Hey, you know, do you guys know you're not supposed to be on the sidewalk?" Um, and also I'd like more proactive um, management of the bird program before it's green lit to be a permanent program in Hamilton. Um, I'd like the group that's running it to do some more spot checking to make sure that what Bird promised uh, is in place um, you know, not just at the beginning of the pilot but uh, throughout. >> Thanks very much, Lori. really appreciate you coming today. I had a chance to chat with Lori and I'll share those comments and our conversation once we get to the receiving of the um delegation. Does anybody any questions for Lori? Okay, I'm not seeing questions. Can I have a mover and second to approve the delegation to receive it? Moved by Emily, seconded by Elizabeth. I'll hand the chair over to Vice Chair Braithweight just so I can let you folks know what we're already doing. So, thanks for coming by my office to chat about this and when it was actually very recently just before the delegation and I encourage you to come here anyways because I know you wanted to talk about a number of things we weren't even able to touch on in our conversation. So, yeah, it's a big problem. One of the things that we found out early in this pilot was that the geocoding uh the geo fencing, pardon me, does work in some instances. So, it works really well in some areas of the city. And we've actually filed some specific complaints with the bird company saying on this street or this street or this street, can you geo fence? Because, for instance, the building goes right to the lot line. So, a fence, a good a good example is on Augusta. Everyone understands visually what that looks like, right? So, you have fences that come right to the sidewalk line. Well, if a if someone parks their scooter attached to the fence on the sidewalk line, then there's no space on the sidewalk for anyone because the sidewalks are narrow. Of course, the situation is not the same with King Street where we have really wide sidewalks. And so, what we're going to do is work on a motion I'm going to bring back here for the October 6th meeting. By the way, just your first notice that we changed the date from the 15th to the 6th or the 13th or whatever it was to the 6th. Um, but we're going to work on a motion and bring to bring back here together to list all the different things that you brought up here because those are all things we can investigate and we should have bird look at more holistically. Why is the geo fencing not working there? I have seen and I've actually taken a couple scooters on test drives. I have seen the sidewalk governing it's called work but not consistently every time. And so I'm not sure why that is. And you're right. All the things you said are totally right. There's not the the ID number on the stem. There's other ways you can get that information of course, but then it requires you to do a lot of labor or go find QR codes or lock onto the device or whatever that might be and frankly most people don't have time for all that especially if you don't have a bird membership. It can be convoluted. One of the things you talked about was blitzes and enforcement from police and that's something that this committee could send a letter to. We do have folks here from HPS so that when that motion came forward they could speak to that or we could ask them for their comments on that. But we can send a letter from here to the police asking for certain things to be done. That's an activity we can do as a public body for sure, especially when we have a motion coming forward. So, I just want to let you know all those things were talked about, discussed. We're going to work on a motion together. I'll bring something forward and look for an eager second, I hope, from someone here and um you can come back and delegate at that time if you wish. That might be helpful. It's to hear your perspective on it and any further thoughts you have. >> Yeah, thank you. >> I'll take the chair back. Any other comments or questions for staff at this time, Susie? >> Yeah, mine's more just a comment. So, thank you, Lori, for bringing that up because it's something I'm very frustrated with as well. I know, you know, I always talk about back in the day, but back in the day, the police were uh on top of that and it has completely fallen apart. So, I hear constantly from my businesses as well that it's unsafe when they step out their doors. I've been hit as well. So, I back everything you say. And I also think the Bird program needs a overview of like people riding down the middle of Main Street or King Street. We see that every single day. So I do think it would be worth having them at the table at some point to discuss their plans during the pilot to ensure that that's you know educated. So thank you for that. >> Okay. Not seeing any further comments or questions for staff. I will ask everyone to raise their hand in support of receiving the delegation today. Thanks so much and thanks for being here today. Lori, we're now on to items for information. And the first one is 7.1 PW26065 Ferguson Station Power Washing and Cleanliness. Can I first have a mover and second to put the report on the floor? Moved by Vice Chair Braithweight, seconded by Megan Edmonds. And any questions or comments for staff about this is an information report. Nothing to recommend, but yeah, go ahead, Vice Chair Braithweight. Thank you for this. So, it's really great to see that there are plans in motion for this to happen. I guess my only question is what are the next steps uh that the city will make to ensure that this is worked into the 2027 budget and that we will be you know going forward with this plan. >> Vince Fatza, director of transportation. Um so if this report gets approved by public works committee and by city council then we would have to submit a business case as part of the 2027 uh budget process and it would be reviewed at the senior leadership level and if it should pass through then then it would get to the budget committee and council. So there is a rather structured process on submitting business cases for enhanced programs or services. >> Thanks. I just wanted to clarify just procedurally this is an item for information. So actually this isn't up for council's discussion. So can you maybe clarify is it the intention of you to bring this through the process to so it comes to the budget and and go through that process because that's absolutely up up to staff not up to council. So um unfortunately Cynthia Graham who's the director of parks is I mean environmental services is not here. Um I don't know if there's anybody from parks who would be to speak with it because the report does identify that the service enhancement would be part of environmental services. So I don't want to necessarily speak on behalf of Cynthia. I'm sorry about that. >> Sure. But I don't know if anybody else would want but yes there is a process that we follow internally at the staff level when submitting business cases >> story. Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you through the chair. Angela story director of waste management. We do have some folks here from environmental services today. Uh Brian Kerry is the manager of parks and he is sitting in for Cynthia for this report. So at this point as mentioned uh chair crutch that it is an information report. So there is nothing going forward right now. If there was a motion at some point to include it, then parks would need to bring it forward. Um you're probably all familiar just like the issues that you experience in your role here uh with the budget um scenario as well. We've been encouraged to not bring many business cases forward. However, if it was the will of committee, that is something that we would do. >> Okay. So I'm just going to put everyone on notice because we don't want to do motions from the floor necessarily. So for our October 6th meeting, if anybody wants to bring a motion forward here, that's the activity to do is to bring that motion forward here. Then it would come from here since that's an important distinction because sometimes staff are going to come forward and say we're just doing this activity. We're putting a business case forward. In this case, staff are saying we're not putting a business case forward. But if you want the information and want to know how to do it, here's the answer. So I leave it to members of this committee and I'm sure Susie and I will talk about this at some length later on. Any other questions on this report for staff? I'm not seeing any. So, do we have a mover in secondary already too? We did. Okay. All those in favor of receiving the report for information. That's everyone. Thank you so much. We're now moving on to peed 26125A, which is the memorial clock tower. Can I have a mover and second to put this item for information on the floor? Member Zafa, seconded by member Edmonds. Any discussion or questions about this? Vice Chair Braithweight. >> Again, uh thank you for this. I've been talking to Lisa Abbott about this. So, I think again just an information report. I think this is their plan is to sort of like throw a coat of paint on there and make it look better than it is now, get the plaque up there. Um, but again, I think, you know, I'd like to see a timeline around that if possible. Um, and then just also to note too, like we just found out today that on either side of the memorial there used to be giant planters from horiculture and they were removed this year and we were just kind of told today, well, they're just not doing it anymore. So, I'd like to see that also brought back because they added something to that space and also helped with the look of the the memorial clock. So, that's my only comments. >> Okay. Okay, I'm going to take that as a question for Lisa Abbott to maybe respond to because she's been leading on this issue. >> Thank you, Lisa Abbott, director of tourism and culture. I can respond uh through the chair that this work is going to be completed this month and next month. So, by the end of next month, it should be complete. In terms of the planters, that is new information and I can bring that back to uh Cynthia Graham's team in in in in parks and environmental services. Thank you. >> Thanks. It's been our practice here to be extremely public about everything. So I we have a couple of options here. How do you want to bring that information back here once we know what's happening with the horicultural asset? Do you want to just leave this report on the Obl? Do you want to come back later with a brief memo? I don't know what makes sense. >> Sorry. >> From um parks, we would like to leave it on the Obl and come back. >> Okay. So when do you think is good? October 6th or December 15th? I think those two dates that are left. Go ahead. >> Uh, West Kind, manager, landscape architectural services. October 6 would be five. >> Okay. So, I'll need a mover and a second to do that. A move by Vice Chair Braithweight, seconded by member Walsh. Thank you. And uh, all those in favor of having this item come back with a report on the helicultural assets for October the 6th. Anyone opposed to that? No. Okay, that's everyone. Thank you so much. So, any other questions on this specific item? No, I'll pass it chair to vice chair braithweight. Just a couple comments from me. I think this is a good interim step to take to try to spruce the clock up a little bit. We haven't heard the sound of this clock in many years and most of the people who live in this neighborhood, I mean that most of the people live in this neighborhood have never heard this clock because there's been a huge density uptick in the area around the clock. Those buildings didn't exist when it was operational. And so I do think it's important to think about what we're going to do here, how we move the clock, where we store the clock. It's going to cost as much as it cost to originally build the clock as it is going to cost to rebuild the clock. And so the question becomes, what's that look like? Can we get that sound back? Who's going to verify that the sound is even similar? Because that's the thing I think some people are missing that who've been in the neighborhood for a long time, but many others are not. Also, some people have already complained about the fact that the idea of this will be a nuisance for them. The reason being that the buildings that now exist weren't there before. And so this was of course happening in a different kind of sound environment. the sound was spreading out like this during mostly um business hours. It was going out into areas where there wasn't any reverberation. Now it's going to be going right into buildings and right into people's residents, people who may be working from home, how loud is the clock and so on. So, I think before this comes back to full operation, we're going to have to do some contextual uh conversations with the people in the neighborhood to find out what makes sense and do a little bit of a little bit of some kind of analysis around is this an appropriate use anymore now that we have housing basically right near the clock that wasn't there before. So, I'm just putting that out there because I think it's worthwhile thinking about. There are a number of other locations downtown where nearby, like very nearby where the clock could go. And so there's no reason why we can't keep the clock and make sure the clock exists, but we might have to be thoughtful about some sound engineering so as not to create a new problem um when it's activated and allowed. Those are my comments. I'll take the chair back. I don't see anybody else on this. So we'll all vote in favor of receiving this information report by show of hands. That is everyone. Thank you so much. We did have the possibility of another information report for the downtown washroom for Don Rebecca Park, but that's not going to come back now because their project has been taking a little longer. So, they have a little more time to report. So, they're going to report back to their October 6th meeting. I got an email from the director about that. Didn't have a chance to respond to her, but I guess this is the response now. Um, and our last item here is items for consideration before we get to motions. Um, it is amendments to the outstanding business list and apart from anything any edits people have, can I have a mover and second or to approve the amendments to the outstanding business list? Moved by Vice Chair Braithweight, seconded by member Walsh. Any discussion on that list? All those in favor by show of hands. Thank you. That carries. We're on to motions. We have two motions and the first one is 9.1 communication and respecting large city projects in the downtown area. It's moved by member Zaraf and seconded by myself and I'll let member Zarafa introduce it. >> Hello. Um so at the last meeting we were talking about large construction projects specifically the the main street projects and we were talking about uh the great work that's already being done to communicate uh that project to residents and visitors and businesses. Um, anecdotally, once I left the meeting, I was speaking with some people, residents and businesses who didn't know what the construction was for, even though there's signage, even though there's been communication or were approaching construction, surprised by the construction. And so I got to thinking that it might be uh a good opportunity to um investigate a little bit, you know, how people experience the unexpected and the experiences that they have once we're able to manage their expectations, give people advanced notice. Um but also how people experience and interact with all of the communication that's already being put out. I was also thinking about in school when we were learning how to make I took advertising when we were learning how to make radio advertise advertisements they said uh for a business to give the consumer their phone number they have to say it at least three times in the radio ad to even have a chance of anyone remembering it. So, I got to thinking about all of the touch points and the ways that we communicate with people, um, especially those that aren't residents of downtown or aren't often downtown and what the opportunity might be to, uh, better or in a different way manage people's expectations so that when they approach those large construction projects, um, they are met with a better experience. >> Thanks very much. Any other comments or questions about this motion? I'll briefly pass the chair again to vice chair Braithweight and just make a couple comments. I appreciate the way this motion is written because I think when we first talked about this, what we said was, "Well, we noticed in a lot of areas for improvement." And then I said, "But do we really know all the things the city is doing?" And the answer is, "No, not even I know all the things the city is doing to communicate about these things." So, this report's meant for the city to come back and tell us what is it, what is it you're doing? And then for us to give feedback about what some areas maybe that are missing. So I think one of the things that happens a lot with city communication is it's based on a bunch of standards and sometimes those standards are minimum requirements but we know that those minimum requires sometimes don't reach the people that are they're intended to reach. Like I know in some situations in the planning division we've actually requested staff to distribute things to a wider radius and they have. So not just the regular 120 mters but 250 mters or 500 meters because we recognize the impact of what's happening is much wider than the minimum distance. So like knowing those kinds of things would be helpful for us so we can make recommendations and then hopefully get those things into the budget process at some point. Um especially things like how is social media used? What kind of content is in these types of things? Because one thing I've heard from residents a lot and we talked about this as well is clarity. So, for a lot of residents, they may receive a notice or they may receive information. Information be sent or put in a place where they can see it, but they go right by it because it says something like uh I don't know uh con Yeah. the the something in the title sometimes is a construction notice uh comma water main relining adjustment reling adjustment and it's like great that means something to perhaps me and perhaps people who are involved in that but people don't generally know that means oh the road will be closed in this manner for this long until they read maybe two-thirds down the notice, right? So we have an official way of doing things that may not always work for the average person. So this is meant to try and start that conversation. So thanks so much for this motion on that. I'm not seeing anybody else speaking on it. I'll take the chair back. All those in favor by show of hands. That's everyone. Thank you so much. We're now on to our last motion of the day which is 9.2 downtown standard of care and elevated service levels. And this has been a motion that's been revised. So, if you caught a motion version of this from earlier in the timeline, it's important that you click on the most recent one to see some changes that were made. It's moved by member Morirana and member Wakeford. I'll let them speak to it. >> Okay, there we go. Thank you very much. Um, and uh, thank you everyone for your patience with this as it came together. I know there was a couple revisions um, as we brought it to the meeting today. Um yeah, just to to speak to it quickly as well too. Um yeah, thank you very much for everyone's input to help shape it. Uh thank you to to Elizabeth Wford as well too for the support and helping shape it and um the support from Council Croach and bringing us together and identifying that we had similar gripes. Um but uh I just wanted to make sure that that it was understood that um you know we appreciate the the work that does go into maintaining and servicing the downtown. Um and and absolutely in recognition of the fact that whether it's council, whether it's staff, it has been recognized that that the downtown is deserving of of enhanced service levels as has been recognized by both increased funding and and previous motions at previous bodies as well as the investment through the downtown revitalization strategy. um that and and we absolutely do not want to be redundant with this. But one thing that we identified and and also not redundant with work that is currently going on. But one thing we identified was was the need to as long as we're identifying that there is a need for enhanced service levels that perhaps what we can also do is work towards specific outcomes and objectives that are identified as elevated standards of care and enhanced levels that that do become the outcome that we work towards. Um, the goal I I know when we first presented it and discussed with councelor Croach and and one thing that I don't think we'd like to lose sight of is the idea that this could potentially work towards an actual more codified standard of care for the downtown uh district. Um, that helps recognize what those uh standards are and and what the outcomes are that we want out of the experience that uh people do have downtown, whether residents or visitors or business owners. Um and and in doing so too, um I think we identify that the downtown is distinct and special and deserving area within the city. But I' I'd also like to point out that this doesn't necessarily mean the downtown's alone in this and and this could absolutely serve as a pilot then services in the future other distinct nodes and business districts within the city. Um, so it's not necessarily saying that downtown alone is deserving of this, but if you can and we can properly identify and establish what those outcomes and standards are, that that also becomes something that's applicable across the board to other distinct nodes, villages, business districts across the city to enhance the overall experience of those enjoying it. Um, so yeah, thank you everyone and um, I'm glad to receive any questions, but um, Elizabeth Uh, thank you to the counselor for his input and support. Um, to Ryan who actually really led this and gave me the opportunity to provide input and as well to staff to um, Phil and Jennifer who took the time to meet with us and help us uh, shape the motion that you see today. And as well, if anyone has any questions, I'm happy to answer. >> Thanks. We don't usually do this, but this this committee is not usually how council business is conducted. Anyways, it's a good example, I would say, though, of seeing citizens put motions forward. We don't often see that, and this committee has been pretty amazing at that. Since we created this subcommittee, we've seen lots and lots of motions coming forward by members here, and thank you for that. So, I just want to give staff an opportunity to say anything they have to say or any questions they have they wanted to ask answered or if they've looked at the motion has been revised and if they're supportive of it just so we can get a sense from them of what if they have anything they wanted to add. >> Good afternoon. Uh Phil Caldwell, manager of commercial districts and small business uh in economic development in planning and economic development department. Um we are the team responsible for leading the uh downtown revitalization strategy implementation. Um, with respect to the motion, I thank you very much. Um, I think what's in it captures a lot of what we heard through the consultation on the downtown strategy. Um, and and I appreciate the opportunity for having met with you and provided some feedback. Um, I think from staff's side, we see this as in alignment with work that we're currently undertaking that was approved by council in April. um which primarily consists of a governance review of of city operations when it comes to the downtown um as well as a uh review by public works that's being undertaken right now under Vince's uh leadership about uh the service standards and and trying to identify what the gaps might be right now. And those two things are coming back to council in uh Q1 2027 which I see reflected in here. So thank you for recognizing that. Um, and I think this is very informative to the outcomes that are expected out of those current reviews and will help us shape what we bring forward at that time. Um, so yeah, I have no further comments beyond that. Um, but I leave it open to my colleagues if there's any other comments. >> Thanks. Um, I'll pass the chair off to Vice Chair Braithweight as has been the theme for this meeting. Um, I wanted to ask a couple of questions about the outcome. One thing I've been trying to do during this term of council successfully so far is try to get reports before consultative bodies before they get to council. The best example is the Hamilton Farmers Market. For many, many years, what would happen is there be a report of some kind or a study of some kind or whatever would happen. It would go to council, jump right over the Hamilton Farmers Market board, and then the Farmers Market Board wouldn't get a copy of it. They would kind of find out loosely later on, oh, whatever it might be. They then start to react backwards. Then we'd have to start to untie a knot, redo work. It would cause all kinds of tension and acrimony. So from staff's perspective, is it possible, do you think, that we could get, because I'm assuming what you're bringing forward is not a a report to council for recommendation likely for information on the state of the downtown. Is there any way in Q1 of 2027 we can get some type of a report here that addresses this addresses these issues and tells us what's going on with them before you go to council so that there's some way for us to provide last minute input or feedback for us to see something before it goes to council >> for approval >> through the chair um very understanding of of that uh challenge um I think it's one that staff shares um I won't get into it here but certainly our report timelines are such that a number of months are required to even get on on a council agenda to be to be frank. Um which can set us back quite a bit to add in another reporting body to to bring a report to just to be frank uh with everyone. Um we are intending to bring recommendations in the Q1 2027 report. The state of the downtown will be an implementation update. It will also be recommendations around how we plan to act undertake additional actions within the year 2027. Um so there will be recommendations. Um, our intention right now is that we are going to come back to this subcommittee in October with an interim update before we do that. Now, will it provide the answers to everything outlined here? No. Uh, we simply do not have the ability to respond to everything in here within the time frame of of October. Um, but for sure, I think we can provide a a a look at where we've gotten to at that point. What are some initial outcomes we might have uh learned by that point? and we can take feedback and input about how we could further incorporate or or address any outstanding matters through the Q1 report that we're bringing to council. That would be my >> Okay. I'm mindful that it's August now um and that October is right around the corner and so that'll give you a little bit of time to start this work. Would it be better if you had some more time to start this work by coming to our December meeting instead because that may give you a chance to to do this more work more fullesomely because you'll have time between then and obviously Q1 and 2027 or is that not preferable? Would you rather come in October? I'm just giving you the option. >> Uh I think we would prefer to come in October. >> Um the the the work we're doing right now does involve retaining some external consultants. the governance review, for example, will require that and and frankly by the time we reach December, we'll probably be starting to write the Q1 report already. Okay. >> Um so, uh I think it would make more sense on our end to to have feedback that is valuable and that we can actually work with and incorporate into the Q1 report to to come in October. That that would be my suggestion. >> Thanks so much. I'll take the chair back. I think that makes sense then for someone to amend the language at least to say an interim report will come back here at our October meeting. So if someone wouldn't mind moving and seconding that pretty straightforward moved by member Moran. How about seconded by member Wakeford since you're on the motion and we'll just either add that as a as a number below or you can throw it in there somewhere. I'm sure it's a housekeeping matter at this point. I'll just say it again just for the audience who may be listening in this room or elsewhere that we will see an interim report come back here in at our October 6th meeting. Okay. Okay. All those in favor of of that amendment. That's everyone. Any other questions on this motion? Nothing. Great. All those in favor of the motion. And that's everyone. Again, thank you so much. That carries at this point. I'm just double checking. We don't have anything else on our agenda. So, thanks for coming out today. Our meeting officially adjourns at 204 p.m. Have a great day everyone.