I was just going to say if it's bad now when we still have windows open and it's not winter like that's not great. >> I know. >> We are live. We're good. >> Thank you, Mr. Ban. Welcome everybody to the September 4th Heritage Richmond Hill meeting. Please excuse my voice. Um but I've got a little bit of a something going on there. [snorts] This afternoon's meeting is an electronic meeting being held pursuant to section 238 3.3 of the Municipal Act 2001. Please note that we have received regrets from committee members Annette Ivisa for today's meeting. The public had the opportunity to submit written correspondence regarding agenda items by email to the clerk's office. All written correspondence received by 12:00 p.m. noon yesterday would have been included in the agenda, but none were received. The public also had the opportunity to apply to appear as an electronic delegation, either by video conference or by telephone by 12:00 p.m. noon yesterday, but also none were received. As chair of the committee, I will now call the meeting to order and ask [snorts] for a motion from a member of committee to adopt the agenda. Just raise your hand. Anybody? Thank you, Vice Chair Bob DeRo. All those in favor? Thank you. That carries unanimously. Okay. Our next item is disclosures of pecuniary interest thereof. Anybody? No. Okay, hang on. I still want to maximize my screen. Okay, that's better. Um, next is the adoption of previous minutes. As I always say, I trust you've all read them. For item 4.1, minutes of the Heritage Richmond Hill meeting, HR0526, held September the 3rd, 2026, that the minutes be adopted. Can I have a member of committee move that, please? Thank you, Agnes. So moved by Agnes Parr. Are there any comments? No. Oh, welcome Council Thompson. All those in favor? Seeing none opposed. Thank you. That passes unanimously. We have no delegations and we only have one scheduled business for today and thank you all for returning. As I stated in LA in September that there was a pos last meeting that we there was a possibility we may have to return and this is it. So we have one item of scheduled business agenda item 6.1 SRPBS.26.013 013 request to remove 12001 Young Street Herit city file D127497 from the heritage register. Could I have a member of committee move this to the floor? Please just raise your hand. Whoever would like to do it, raise your Thank you, Diane. Committee member Diane Mloud. So moved as the mover. Um Diane, do you have any comments? Yeah, my only comment would be it's always so sad to see a building just be neglected for quite frankly the past it's got to be 20 years that it's been in a complete state of neglect. And of course when buildings like that get neglected, they just continue to go downhill and and Yeah. No, it's just I it's just really sad that there's not enough teeth in the legislation to to prevent owners of of buildings from just letting them decay. And that's the only thing I wanted to say about that. Just >> Yeah, I know. I think we all feel the same way. Thanks, Diane. Does anybody else on committee wish to make any statements? Agnes Par, please go ahead. I'm just going to echo the same comments that Diane made. I'm very sad to see this go. This was a landmark at least to those of us driving past on Young Street um a number of times and I noticed how it was, you know, really really falling into um a decrepit state and it's just so sad because I read all the reports that have been done and I thank the staff for the hard work that they have done and at the back of the report there was the um things that Lachat had done many years ago and you can see from the pictures and the description there that once upon a time it was a lovely house and it's just really really sad that it's come to this point and that's my comments. >> Thank you Agnes. Appreciate it. Anybody else on committee wish to make a statement. >> Councelor Thompson do you wish to say anything? Uh no it's uh I guess the the one thing that I would say is that I was surprised uh by what staff had had written that you know there was only one criteria which even then was kind of sketchy in their mind. Um when you look at uh the fact that you only have to get two out of nine and this one could barely even make one. Um, yeah, that kind of surprised me. That's about the only comment I can make is is my surprise in that respect. Yeah. >> Thank you, counselor. Pamela or Kunal, do you want to make any comment to that? >> Yes, you chair Sivitz. Um yeah, it was it is unfortunate that um while the property does have a lovely history and that is a connection to um the the family and um and their uh ties to the development of the area. The existing house as it is has been so altered over the years that there's no way for us to tangibly connect that history with the existing um building. If we knew for example that you know in X date it was done by this person then it would be easier to connect that history to the existing building but >> that we just don't have that connection. We don't have um the documents or or any of the other resources needed to make that connection. >> Thank you Pamela. Anything further councelor Thompson? No. Okay good. Um, anybody else one last time on on committee wish to make a comment? I just from my perspective I echo what everybody has said here. Um, this is so so unfortunate. Um, this is your uh this is this is the example that you would see in the dictionary if there was something next to demolition by neglect. And um it is um it is so sad. Um uh the the pictures of the original house just show how lovely it was and but unfortunately I don't believe there's anything uh further we can we can do here and the house is going to be demolished and lost to all the residents of of Richmond Hill and its history and it's a great shame. So um having said that does anybody want a second round? Seeing none. Okay. Oh yes, Miss Steven please go ahead. I just want to make a comment. Um, if there isn't a modern viable use for a heritage building, it's uh it's a little unfair to saddle the owners with the task of and the expense of maintaining it over the years. I I echo everybody else's feelings on uh, you know, it's a shame that this beautiful building is gone, but I mean, you couldn't use it as a personal residence. It's 10 ft away from Young Street, which might have been a great location back in 1860. Uh but, you know, with the pollution and the cars and the traffic and everything, it's uh it's, you know, not going to happen. And as a as a viability from a commercial standpoint, I don't see it. I don't see anybody investing uh in this house that'll probably cost, you know, between half a million dollars and a million dollars to restore. So, anyway, those are my comments. >> Thanks, Stephen. And I I don't disagree with you at all. Um uh but um as I said, this is an this is a classic case of demolition by neglect. They just whoever owns the property, that land owner just left that house to deteriorate until it basically falls to pieces. And um and and that's the shame and that's that's really upsetting. Um and if from my perspective as as the chair and also as a resident or someone who is uh who who loves heritage and will do whatever one can do to to protect it. It's also up to the land owners if they do buy a property uh that has or or own a property that has um a heritagebuilt asset on it, they really do have a responsibility to upkeep it. But I do understand what you're saying. Okay. Last chance. That's it. Okay. So, so moved by it was Diane who moved. No, Agnes moved this. Right. Sorry. Uh, okay. Thank you. Um, so moved by Agnes. No, Agnes. No, it was Diane. >> Correction. It was moved by Diane. Correction. Moved by Diane through the chair, I should say. >> Okay. Correcting the chair. Appreciate it. Ladies, thank you very much. I don't have a pen with me. Um, right. So, um, agenda item 6.1 moved by Diane Mloud that staff report SRPBS.26.013 regarding notice of intention to demolish Dentmore Downs at 12001 Young Street, city file D12 07494 be received. All those in favor, members of committee, I see none opposed. That passes unanimously. Thank you very much. And the the last item is adjournment. Once again, thank you, Councelor Davidson, uh to adjourn. Um I I want to thank all of you again. You want to speak, Miss Councelor Davidson? >> I'm sorry. I'm wondering if you can indulge me for one minute. I just want to ask or staff, >> what does Heritage look like after the end of this year in a in in a sentence or two with the provincial changes? What is how's this what's the city's approach going to be? >> Yeah, fair question. Thank you. Uh if we may through Ryan, if we may have just a minor discussion here, Kunal. >> Um through the chair, thank you for the question, Council Davidson. So the way it looks is basically as of January 1st, 2027, all the properties that have been identified as listed or officially known as non-desated on the register will fall off, which means all of those properties will no longer have any form of heritage protection as of right. um which means that if alterations or demolitions were to come in for those properties, they would not be brought forward to the committee or to council for any kind of consent from a heritage planning perspective. However, the properties that we have designated uh not only in the past two or three years but even the previously designated properties continue to have the same level of protection which means any kind of alterations changes that are proposed for those properties will have to come forward to a committee and then go uh taken to council for their consent. >> Thank you canal councelor Davidson. [snorts] >> Oh thank you. I just wanted to also uh is this is there a process that the city will still attempt to to designate some buildings moving forward? It's just a different process. And that that's my last question. Thank you. >> Yeah. So through the chair um through the chair again >> we we did have over 200 properties that were listed. We were able to pursue just under 40 properties for designation. Um there's no official approach to the remaining properties. I think what we did was through the subcommittee identify certain priority properties and we have met those sort of we you know designated those properties. We will do our best to be mindful of some of the properties that have fallen off to consider for uh designation in the future but they will be on an ad hoc basis as needed basis. there won't be a more formalized approach like we have done with the bill 23 designation strategy. Um, and if I may be frank, I think again what we've done is we've identified the priority properties with the resources we had available to us and we've done our best to bring them forward. Um, so no council Davidson to answer your question, we don't have a formalized strategy in place at this point. >> Thank you very much Kunal. Uh Timothy uh go ahead if it's this question about um uh future steps. >> Yeah, just a a follow-up question. Uh those listed properties they will be off the uh register effective January 1, 2027. Uh is is it correct that they those uh that are taken off the list cannot taken off the register cannot be uh uh uh considered for destination within two years. >> I believe it's five >> through the chair. That's actually a great question. So we Okay. So we can proceed the designation of these properties under certain conditions. So if certain conditions are not met, we will not be able to pursue it because what happens is the property will fall off the register. It's banned from li being relisted for the next five years. You can pursue the designation unless a prescribed event occurs. So that means basically if someone comes in for a demolition, we cannot then reactively try to um pursue a designation of the property. or if someone comes in let's say for an official plan amendment or a zoning bylaw amendment for that property we cannot reactively pursue a designation of a property. So there are certain conditions under which we will not be able to but it is not an absolute. We could pursue it um if deemed necessary but again it will not be on the register officially. So what that means is if someone comes in for a demolition, we may not even hear about it because it has no status. It has no heritage status. I hope that helps answer the question. >> Thanks, Kunal. Timothy, anything else? Okay. Okay. Last minutes here. No, everybody's good. Okay. Uh Council Davidson, you want to move adjournment? Absolutely. Okay. And thank you again to everybody. Uh this will be our final meeting. Now uh this surprise demo uh did come through as expected. So thank you again to this committee for all your very hard work and to all our staff. Uh thank you for everything that you have done uh through this term and and previously and will no doubt continue to uh to do so um uh in in the next term and beyond. And to councelor Thompson, thank you for joining us uh for this term. It's been a pleasure to have you sitting in on every meeting. So we have on the docket adjournment moved by councelor Davidson. All those in favor seeing none opposed that carries unanimously. Thank you very much everybody.