Sound check. 1 2 3 Good morning. >> Good morning. No, sorry, I'm just trying to turn down my speakers. Uh, as we have corn present, I'd like to call this meeting of the business improvement area subcommittee to order. Please be reminded that all electronic devices are to be switched to a non-audible function during committee meetings. I will commence with a roll call. Please indicate your presence when I call your name. Councelor Tammy Huang, present. Councelor Esther Paul's >> here. >> I can see you. So, I'm going to check you here. Councelor Moren Wilson, >> present. >> Susie Braithweight from International Village >> here. >> My vice chair. Thank you. [snorts] Uh Tracy McKinnon from Westdale and Stony Creek. >> Present. >> Jennifer Madden from Ancaster. >> Present. Uh, Adrien Mechley senses regrets. Susan Penny from Waterown >> here with bells on. >> Doris Sanchez from Concession >> here. >> Betina Shoreman from Lock Street >> here. >> David Taylor from Dundas >> here. >> Emily Walsh from downtown >> here. [snorts] Stephanie Wiler from Ottawa Street >> here. [laughter] >> Uh myself from Barton Village and that's everybody. >> I don't know if you heard. I wasn't I couldn't hear. It's councelor Paul's. I'm here. >> I got you. Councelor Paul's no. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. I will now read the land acknowledgement. City of Hamilton is situated upon the traditional territories of the eerie neutral hiron wendat hodnon and missagas. This land is covered with the dish with one spoon wampom belt covenant which was an agreement between the hodnoson and the anishabek to share and care for the resources around the great lakes. We further acknowledge that this land is covered with the between the lakes purchase 1792 between the crown and the missagas of the credit first nation. Today, the city of Hamilton is home to many indigenous people from across Turtle Island. And we recognize that we must do more to learn about the rich history of this land so that we can better understand our roles as residents, neighbors, partners, and caretakers. May I have a mover and seconder to approve the agenda as presented? Moved by Stephanie, seconded by David. Are there any amendments from committee members to the agenda? Seeing nothing. Uh, do we need >> to voice the change that we've made? >> No, we can do that or maybe >> Great. Uh, can I just get a hand vote? Looks good. Uh that motion is carried. Are there any declarations of interest? Seeing none, may I have a mover and a seconder to adopt the minutes of the July 21st, 2026 meeting as presented? Moved by Susie, seconded by councelor Wang. Uh, is there any discussion on the minutes? Uh, all in favor? Hand vote. Motion is carried. Look at us cruising along. Items for information. uh 2027 Winterfest tourism opportunities for business improvement areas. I would like to call upon Ryan McHugh, manager of tourism and events planning and economic development to provide committee with an update. Uh just a quick reminder that presentations are limited to 10 minutes. He's not here. Okie dokie. We're just going to hit the pause button on that. In fact, we're also going to hit the pause button on 7.2. >> We're going to defer it. >> So, we just need a motion to defer 7.1. We need a mover and a secondary. Everybody, uh, I saw Councelor Wilson first and Jennifer second. Uh all in favor that motion is carried as well. Moving on to 7.3. We'll need another mover and a seconder to defer item 7.2. >> Oh, we need to do it separately. Okay. Can I have a mover and a seconder? Councelor Paul's Jennifer again. Thank you to defer 7.2. All in favor? also carried. Now I can do 7.3. Okay, great. Uh, International Downtown Association conference wrap up. Um, Christina is not with us, so I'm going to pass the chair to Susie to provide quick update. Um, particularly for those of us in the room that were not able to attend, I thought it would be um, Christina and I thought it would be great to be able to provide a bit of an update on how the conference went. Um, and uh, there will be an opportunity for those who did attend, if they have takeaways um, to share them if they [clears throat] wish to. No pressure. Um so for myself I uh found the conference very valuable and I want to go ahead and say uh thank you very much um for the support that we received uh from the city to be able to attend uh the conference. Um I think it was really great to be able to show up uh in the numbers that we did to represent Hamilton. Um it was nice to be in the rooms with people that understood what was happening. Uh the conversations were great. The a lot of the sessions uh we kind of divided and conquered because we can't all be in multiple places at one time. So it was very um very valuable I found to be able to attend the sessions and contribute to the conversation. There were some really great takeaways. Um, one thing that I learned that I was not aware of is um because there was a heavy US presence at the uh conference um and I was grateful for all of the apologies uh that we were getting in the room [snorts] um that the way that things are structured in our municipality um with the work that the BAS are doing is um like the structure is a little bit different in like the business improvement districts in the US. Um, and so there were some really great relationship kind of takeaways um from from the conference for me um about just relationship building within the municipality and how we can better work together, better work together as BAS. Um, and that was really the the major takeaway for me. Um there were some other cool things around like streetscaping and uh placem and that sort of thing as well. Um am I allowed to now ask if anybody else has anything they want to share about the conference? Oh, the chair can do that. Chair, >> would anybody else like to add to the conversation? All right. Sorry, Emily. >> Yeah. Um, I'll just echo N's thoughts that I thought it was a really valuable experience and definitely appreciate um the support in being able to go. Um, got some really cool ideas from just such a range of topics that they covered there, which was really great. Um, one that I attended that I thought was particularly interesting was just uh the need for succession planning in all parts, whether it's by design or not. Um, things change. So, it's good to plan ahead for that and make [snorts] sure you got all your eyes dotted and te's crossed and have everything um lined up for the next day. But thank [snorts] you. >> Anybody else? All right, I'm going to pass the chair back. Oh, Tracy. Oh, sorry. If you want to go ahead, go ahead. >> No, please go ahead. >> Okay. Thank. So, again, thankful for the opportunity from ACDEV and the city. Uh, very beneficial. Exactly what the other two speakers have said. One thing I found very interesting given our unique situation in Westdale is how much money the universities give to their business districts that are adjacent. they're not even within the B bids down there uh to help support because they understand how beneficial having a great town downtown little village is to their university. I thought that was very interesting and even though some of the um American uh BIDs were huge like one made a comment uh that they had 23 staff. So that kind of gives you the idea of how large they are but the same concepts no matter what how big their cities are or their staffing is. Um [clears throat] lots of good uh takeaway and learning points for all size BAS. Thanks. >> Did you want to say something more? >> Yeah, I can. >> Sure. Go ahead. [snorts] Uh the Sorry, Naen again. Uh one other takeaway that I I didn't realize I didn't know that Toronto had 86 BAS. >> 86. >> Wow. Um, I imagine a lot of them are kind of abuing each other in the way that like International Village and Downtown do. Um, but 86, my mind was just blown that there's that many of them. So, um, good on all of us for being 12 strong and, uh, accomplishing what we do. So, that's all. All right. I will say a couple words and pass the chair back to Naen. Um, yeah, thanks again, Phil, for supporting us and going to the conference. It's something I've always wanted to do. I was supposed to go to Washington last year, but well, you know, tariffs, so didn't go and Trump. Um, but appreciate going this year. I think one thing that I took away from it was just, you know, doesn't matter how big your BIA is or your B is. Um, the the session I really found interesting was the executive director CEO session and the number one thing we talked about was burnout. And I think that's something that isn't talked about enough uh amongst all of us. We're carrying the weight of our worlds and trying to activate support, you know, keep pus flowing and some of us have very small teams and it can be extremely overwhelming and exhausting. So, I think just knowing that you're in a room with, you know, maybe a couple hundred other people that are going through the same things and picked up a lot of uh beneficial uh tips as to how to navigate that. And then also, again, just uh, you know, I did a walking tour of Church Welssley and I thought that was really interesting. I didn't realize how similar our BAS actually are. So, it was just great. And I think getting out of Hamilton is really important in this job. I try to leave as much as I can to get perspective. Um, and I would encourage everybody else even just to go to Montreal for a weekend or Toronto because you do come back rejuvenated and um, this was a great opportunity for us to do that. So, thanks again. >> Okay. Uh, Susan, I see your hand. Go ahead. >> I just, uh, want to thank again the city for allowing us to go. It was a great experience. Um, you know, I I think the commonalities between large and small BAS and bids is is interesting. I think, you know, the real um the real issue coming back from something where you do feel re-energized and you have a lot of great information is now trying to figure out how to implement some of those things on the scale that we deal with. Um, a lot of the specific sessions that I attended were ones where I've either identified a weakness within our own BIA or something that I would like to grow or figure out how to um to tackle next. But it is um a little bit intimidating sitting there knowing that we need to do a better job metrics, but we don't have the staff to do the followup that's required when we're just running from one event to the next or when I recognize that we need to do succession planning. But that kind of means taking yourself away from your day-to-day job to do a more strategic overview of whatever the issue is that you're dealing with. So, you know, my takeaway from the conference was now just looking at some of those great examples and trying to figure out how to say no to the things that don't allow us to do some of those things for growth or figuring out how to do things differently or think differently so that we can accomplish all of those things because I think uh the commonalities is that we're all trying to achieve the same things but we're doing it on one and two staff versus 23. So that's kind of the interesting challenge going forward for me. >> Thanks Susan. Anybody else? I I will say that there was um one session that was super helpful that I forgot to mention which was um navigating a major infrastructure project. Uh which there's lots of nod head nodding in the room too. Uh we did take some notes on that one. Yeah. So, um yeah, happy to um provide the notes that I took in the sessions and would encourage uh anyone else that took them to be able to share those as well. So, okie dokie. Um if nobody else wants to share anything, uh then may I have a mover and a seconder to receive 7.3? I see Susan's hand and David. Uh all in favor carried. Okay. 7.4 uh business improvement area membership model. I'm going to pass the chair to Susie again um so that I can speak a little bit to this. There have been a number of questions around the associate membership model that we use in Barton Village. Um, and so I just wanted to kind of speak to that a little bit on a grander scale where I can chat with all of you at the same time. Um, so this membership model was born out of actually a social media campaign that I uh that my team ran the first uh holiday season that I was with Barton Village. And we did like a tag your favorite Barton Village business and uh win a chance at a a $100 gift card uh to that business. And we learned very quickly, like within 48 hours, that no one knows where the boundaries of our BIA are. Um, but the other thing that we learned was the the businesses and the community groups that are in our surrounding area that are so so valuable to the community and the fabric that that makes up Barton Village that we felt like there needed to be a way to be able to include them which was also um sort of respectful of the existing membership model. Um, and so what we did was created this associate membership. And effectively what it is is it allows for business and property owners that fall outside of our boundaries but our but are part of our community um to opt in as a member to the BIA by paying a membership fee, an annual fee that is in line with the size of their business um and would be in line with the uh levy that would come from that property if they were inside the boundary. And so we created like a multi-tiered system. Now in Barton Village, we recognize uh that for a small business to um pay a fee that they were not paying previously to be part of a community that they kind of always assumed they were a part of um can be challenging. So we actually do a quarterly invoice to break down those fees for those businesses um so that it's a little bit more uh financially feasible for them to opt in. The additional benefit of this is they can do like a trial run of three months or six months. Um, and if they find the value is there, want to continue, great. And if they don't, or if something happens and they end up having to shut down their business or move it and they are no part no longer part of that community that they can just cancel their membership. There's no term limits. there's no expectations in terms of um you know that that membership continuing beyond the quarter for which they've paid. Um when they become an associate member it means that in Barton Village what we've done is we've given them the same access to things that we have control over. So for example access to our social media channels if they wish to be included in that. If we are running events and we are offering up participation in those events at no fees to our existing membership, they are also included in that. So that means that they could participate in Bash for example and there's no vendor fee for them to come and participate. um for Taste of Barton, for example, which is coming up on the 24th if you don't already have your tickets. Uh they also could participate in that um and receive the same supports from the BIA that any other um membership business would receive. There are limitations. So, for example, we can't change the CIP programs that are provided by the city. So we cannot authorize access to those programs beyond the city limitations. So we have made that very clear in our um membership uh information that we send out um that we we have no poll there. We don't have the ability to like vouch for them or anything like that that they just would continue to not have access to those programs unfortunately. But we do have grants and support programs through the BIA that our committees adjudicate and we have the ability to extend that to those associate members. So that might be something like a property improvement grant uh which is a matching grant we offer up to $2,500 um which comes from our vacancy audit uh funding through ECDEV. Thank you for that. Um so those are the kinds of things that are offered up. I'm happy to share our marketing materials and things like that. I didn't bring them with me today, but I'm happy to distribute those to anybody that is interested. Just fire me an email and I can send them out or I can send them through Christina as well and she can send them out. >> Okay, great. Thanks, Naen. I think we would all be interested in that, especially those of us who are s I know I've been dragging my feet on getting associated memberships done for years. Is there any questions for Naen or comments? Okay, seeing none, may I have a mover and seconder to receive the information update? Moved by Stephanie, seconded by Emily. All in favor? Carried. And I will pass the chair back to Naine. Thank you. >> Sorry. [clears throat] 7.5 terms of reference. Um, so included in the agenda, I believe, was a copy of the terms of reference. Um, may I have a mover and a seconder to receive this item? Moved by Susie, seconded by Doris. Um, sorry. Uh, all in favor? That motion is carried. Um, I'm gonna pass the chair to Susie again. I'm so glad you're here today. Uh because I'd like to um introduce a motion and I'd like to move that the business improvement area subcommittee strike an ad hoc working group to review the mandate of the terms of reference and bring forward recommendations to a future business improvement area subcommittee meeting. What? Oh, I'm not chair so I can't say that. >> Okay, Tammy seconding. [laughter] All in favor? >> Do you want to talk about it? >> Do you want to talk about it? Okay. >> Oh, we have to go ahead. >> Councelor H. >> Thank you. I think that um I really appreciate this motion that uh Naen has brought forward. I think that one of the challenges too is that this this committee has uh is so different from other subcommittees that council has access to having uh all of the EDS from all of our 12 BIAS sit on this committee. I think that there's a real opportunity with really rethinking how we can support each other, but also having um continuously having the counselors sit here to be a willing and uh participating ear. But we can do more than just ensure that we have staff recommendations or or just guest speakers. I think that there's a real opportunity to really think rethink what are some of those um working groups that might happen out of this committee. What are some initiatives that might stem and come out of this committee that maybe um the committee is the lead on that rather than staff being the lead on that? So I think that this opportunity to look at the terms of reference because the terms of reference are really quite narrow in terms of what this committee can do. uh examining it and and expanding the scope for example might be really good. I this term I had the privilege of serving as chair for open for business subcommittee which is great but it it also didn't have the same small business voice that would sit that that had that same sort of leverage. Um and so I think that this committee taking advantage of the fact that we have voting eds that participate that can also um identify different funding mechanisms and different initiatives. We should be taking the most advantage of that and really trying to push that forward. So I really appreciate that. So, I hope that um this ad hoc group is able to use the time between essentially now and a new council being struck to have those conversations. So, perhaps my question to clerks is do you need a counselor to be on these ad hoc working committees at all? >> Uh through the chair to councelor Wang? No, you do not. And this would be brought back to our next meeting December 15th. Uh excellent. Thank you. That's all my questions chair. That's it. Thank you. Okay, great. Um, so Nadine and I are happy to take the lead on this. Uh, we have met about this already, but if there anybody else who wants to be a part of this working group, let us know. Okay, so David, Tracy, Jennifer, Susan, Doris, Stephanie, Emily. >> So, sorry through the chair. It has to be under quorum. So, it has to be seven members and under. So, one, two, three, four. >> Okay, Emily's out. So, Nadine, myself, Tracy, David, Susan, that's five. Jennifer, six. Stephanie, seven. >> Seven. >> Emily, eight. >> No, I'm >> You don't want Okay, >> it's seven. >> Okay, then that's it. Okay. So, the working group can meet and discuss the terms of reference uh when we set time to do so and we will bring back recommendations to a future meeting. Ideally December 15th, but uh might be January we were talking, wasn't it? Yeah, potentially. Okay. So, may I please have a vote? All in favor? And carried. I'll pass the chair back to Nine. Great. Okay. Um, general information, other business updates from the business development office. Uh, Christina is not with us today, but we have Phil in the room. if anybody has questions. >> Hi, Phil. Um, how are how's it going with the main Ottawa closure? Um, because I know that at the last uh GIC, I think I put forward that motion. Was it GIC or was I BIA? Anyway, um, so how's it going with the main Ottawa? Um, how's it working? How are the businesses being supported? Uh from a staff perspective, I can always ask Stephanie, but I think that just getting a sense from the staff perspective of how that's working. Thank you. >> Sure. Uh Phil Caldwell, manager of commercial districts and small business. Um we haven't heard too much from the businesses uh at that intersection. However, we have become aware of a couple businesses who have experienced some significant impacts arising from that. Um, we are in the process of engaging with those businesses to better understand their concerns. Um, uh, and that was found out through the, um, the business surveys that were done along the main street corridor. Um, so yeah, [clears throat] not too much, but those who are feeling it are feeling it significantly. [snorts] >> Thank you. My second question is actually um an update you brought up to us at the MA open for business subcommittee. I wonder if you can give us a quick um understanding of how the phasing or how the business supports are working for the main two-way conversion. Thank you. >> Sure. Uh yeah, so I did provide an update at the open for business uh subcommittee last week. [laughter] Um and uh basically uh we have set up a micro site uh that is available to businesses to engage with economic development for resources and other supports that might be available if they're experiencing uh impacts or concerns respecting the two-way main conversion. Um, as part of that, uh, previously mentioned business survey, uh, business ambassadors, uh, went out along the Main Street corridor and did a targeted, um, engagement with business owners and, um, presented information about the project, including that website that we've provided, as well as staff contacts that they can reach out to to uh, make any concerns known. Um about four uh sorry about 500 uh postcards were provided to businesses through the corridor ranging from Dund to uh the Delta. And of those about 100 of the businesses expressed some level of concern about the impacts arising from the resurfacing project but also the two-way main. Um and then a smaller amount were concerned about future access of of customers to their businesses resulting from the change in direction on the on the road. Um but that otherwise uh we haven't received too many inquiries directly from businesses. Um but uh it's been helpful insights for us. And then I I believe uh the phase one communication of uh the city's corporate comms um has wrapped up for pre-construction and they're now beginning the process of developing the phase 2 um communication tools as the uh as the the resurfacing and conversion start to come closer. >> Thank you. I think chair I just wanted to bring that up because one it was information shared at another subcommittee um but two if uh IDA the conference had a particular actual portion talking about uh business disruption during major construction this is exactly the type of strategy that we can learn from. So going through that phase one right now it's feels like with that first sort of push of 500 business cards but only and then receiving about 100 back I think is a fairly good return on investment so far I think that there is a real opportunity for us to ramp up and look at when actual construction and shovels in the ground and actual disruption happens for phase two that's where we can start to learn from those practices and see if we can rejig re re revamp and try and support the businesses along LRT construction or I mean we're still going through it with Maine and Ottawa but ideally that's done in three months. >> Yes. >> Yes. Three months. Um and then we'll go from there. But yeah, chair I think that this is a very important topic for all of our business improvement areas to be looking at as well as the open for business subcommittee. And so I think there's real opportunity with the overlap. Thank you. Any other questions? Just gonna pass the chair to Susie real quick so that I can ask a question. Phil, are you able to just provide a quick uh sort of high level update on the CIP changes? >> Oh, just that. [laughter] Um, [clears throat] sure. Uh, I'll I'll keep it pretty high level. Again at the open for business subcommittee there there was a presentation by John Paul who loan who on our team led that review. [snorts] Um and there was a slide deck provided that is was meant to be basically used by anyone to to better understand the changes comprehensively. Um but at a high level uh council did approve uh the changes that were proposed by staff uh at August the August 5th city council meeting. >> [snorts] >> uh our appeal period uh legislated to us was uh completed on September 8th and the programs have come into effect on September 9th last week. Uh there are new programs uh related to office attraction within the downtown core. There is a new art mural program that uh is being led by our tourism and culture partners um but funded by economic development. uh that's to try and promote more murals within the city and a big change there is is paying the artists rather than the property owners as part of that. Um we've also made changes to our facade grant program in terms of the dollar amounts mainly outside of the BAS to increase it to match um but also expanded the availability of the program for um safety improvements for businesses. So, SEPTED crime prevention through environmental design assessments and physical improvements coming out of that. Um, the graffiti removal has continued to remain. Uh, and I think those are the highlights I think that would be applicable to to this committee. But, um, I would highly suggest looking at the agenda for the open for business subcommittee. There's a slide deck that that goes into it in in much more detail. Oh, and uh also our online application forms are now live as part of one of our open for business outcomes to improve our customer journey. Um that is now live and has been a bit of a work in progress and online payments are coming soon Octoberish. So um we're very excited about some of our customer uh journey improvements as well. >> Thank you um for that uh impromptu update. Uh I know as well um that an email was sent out to offer up the marketing um tool for that. Uh I know we'll be including it in our mailouts for our AGM to try and uh put one stamp on an envelope instead of two. >> If I may add to that, I um yes, I did send the email to everybody rising from open open for business. A great suggestion. Uh we've printed a thousand copies. Um, I've heard from four BAS so far and John Paul will be reaching out to deliver those. Hey, you got them already. Um, and so please, they're they're ready and waiting if you're uh interested in in having those sent out to your members as part of your AGM notices. >> I see a question from Susan. >> Hey Phil, we have 250 members. Um, I'm wondering if we can get a digital copy of it so that we can include it with digital in invitations and u maybe get a smaller amount that we can actually hand out at the meeting versus taking a quarter of your printed pieces that you already have. >> Uh, through the chair. Yeah, happy to happy to sort it in whatever manner works best for your BIA. Um, let us know how many hard copies you'd like. We can deliver them. Um, and I think the digital copy was in my email was attached. >> Okay. Sorry. Okay. All good. Thanks. >> All right. I'm gonna pass the chair back to Naen. >> Uh, great. Thank you. Um, may I have a mover mo move and a seconder to receive the update? I see Susan and David. Uh, all in favor? That motion is carried. Statements by members. Members of committee, do you have any updates or items of interest? If so, please indicate by raising your hand so your name can be added to the speakers list. Anyone want to kick it off? Suzy? Yeah. I just want to share that on September 27th as part of Open Streets, we are doing our village pride Halloween event. So would encourage everyone to come out to that. Should be a really fun day. We shifted the uh dance uh programming to the back to the rear of Ferguson station in June and it was a really great turnout. We saw hundreds of people come. So if you haven't been to one of our pride events, highly recommend coming to this one. It's really fun. Everybody dresses up. So looking forward to that. Our AGM is on October 6th. Um so just gearing up for that. And then we are heavily working on our holiday market right now. So, if you know of any good vendors that are looking to be involved in a great downtown market, send them our way. Um, but yeah, it's really busy. That's all. Thank you. Anybody else? Stephanie Wiler from Ottawa Street. Hey everyone, our road closure sidewalk sale thanks to very generous funds from the city of Hamilton and W for office is September 26th. It's from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. We have lots of activations on the street. Please come down to Ottawa Street. Our last thrift crawl of this year of 2026 is October 16th. >> 16 or 17. >> 17 is a Saturday >> in that one. >> Okay. Thank you. >> No problem. >> Please come out to Ottawa Street and support local. >> Thanks, Stephanie. >> Anybody else? >> Okay, I'll go. Um, this coming Saturday, September 19th, we have a yard crawl happening in Barton Village. Um, the footprint of this is surrounding our lot at 647 Barton Street East. Um, but the entire footprint reaches from Birch to Barnesdale, Princess to Cannon. Uh, so anybody living in that area, we've invited to participate in a yard sale from 11 till 3. Um, but we'll be hosting the heart of the yard crawl uh in our lot um with food truck and vintage vendors and music and such. Uh September 24th of course is Taste of Barton if you haven't heard it on Legend 102.9. Uh we are giving away tickets, four packs of tickets every day this week. Thanks to Darren Lman and the team. Um I got to hear it yesterday just randomly as I got in the truck. They were doing the giveaway. It was very exciting. I almost wanted to text in myself to win the tickets. Uh, and then Hamilton Day, of course, uh, October 31st. Um, stay tuned. More details to come, but a fun Halloween themed event happening in an alleyway uh, on Barton. Nothing like nothing like a Barton Street alley hang um for Halloween, the scariest night of the year. Uh, it's going to be a lot of fun. um projection art and music and food and all kinds of fun stuff. And then our AGM is November 26th, of course. Um it is part AGM, part comedy show. Always feel free to attend. That's it from Barton Village. Anybody else? Seeing nobody, may I have a mover and a seconder to receive these statements from members. Jennifer's hand always goes up so quickly and Betatina um as the seconder. All in favor? Wonderful. >> That motion is carried. Councelor Hang has a comment. Is that allowed? [clears throat] >> Okay, it's allowed. Yay. Um, I'm cognizant that this is my last sub committee, BIA subcommittee before election. So, I wanted to thank the subcommittee members for all of your dedication and your hard work. It has been an honor and a privilege to be at this table. So, I am very thankful for the work you guys do and continue to do because it is tough out there. So, thank you. I hope to get reelected and I hope to get back onto this subcommittee, but either way, I'm a big supporter of you guys. So, thank you so much. Thank you, Councelor Wang. We also appreciate your efforts as a small business champion in the city, regardless of your role. I'm getting a thumbs up from councelor Wilson. Uh there being no further business, the business improvement area subcommittee is adjourned at 11:10 a.m. Thank you everybody. Have a wonderful rest of your week.