Hello. >> Please mute your mics. >> Hi. Can you hear me? >> Yeah. Can you mute your mic, please? Are we good to go, Ryan? >> Uh, hi C. Yeah, we are live streaming. >> Good afternoon everybody and welcome to the November 12th Heritage Richmond Hill meeting and my thanks to committee members for making themselves available for this meeting. This afternoon's meeting is an electronic meeting being held pursuant to section 2383.3 of the Municipal Act 2001. Please note that we have received regrets from councelor Davidson and committee member Annette Escina for today's meeting. We do however have quorum. The public had the opportunity to submit written correspondence regarding agenda items by email to the clerk's office. All written correspondence received by 12:00 p.m. noon yesterday would have been included on the agenda, but none were received. The public also had the opportunity to apply to appear as an electronic delegation either by video conference or by telephone by 12:00 p.m. noon yesterday. Three delegation requests were received and are included on the revised agenda and additions memo to this agenda. We will deal with those three delegations first and then move to their individual agenda items for full discussion. As chair of the committee, I will now call our meeting to order and ask for a committee member to put forward a motion to adopt the agenda. May I see a hand? Thank you. Uh Vice Chair Barb de Mambro uh has moved this. All in favor just raise your hands. Thank you. That carries unanimously. Okay, let me just grab my papers here. So, the next item on our agenda. Sorry, uh Ryan, did I do the adoption of the agenda? >> Uh thank you to the chair. Yes, you just did the adoption of the agenda. Yeah, >> thank you. Sorry, I'm I'm working from so many different things here. Okay, apologies. Um our next item is item number three, disclosures of pecuniary interest and the general nature thereof. Any committee members have such? Seeing none, now we'll move to agenda item number four, which is adoption of our previous minutes. And as I always say, I trust that our committee members have read the minutes. 4.1 minutes Heritage Richmond Hill meeting HR0626 held September 24th 26. Can I have a member of committee move this forward please for discussion? Thank you Diane Mloud. Any discussion from any member of committee? Seeing none, all those in favor? That passes unanimously. Thank you. Okay, we will now move to our delegations. So we have three 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3. Vincent Santa Moora is first, Elina Capcova is second and Sandro Sosha will be third. I would like to remind our delegates that your presentation is directly to this committee and um there are no questions to be asked of committee members. I thank you for your attention to that important detail. Uh Mr. Santaora, you have the floor for 5 minutes, sir. Welcome. >> Welcome. Pleased to be here. Thank you, Madam Chair. Good afternoon, members of the committee, town staff, and interested parties. My name is Vincent Santomora. I'm principal architect of Vincent J. Santor Architect, Inc. at 23.0 Crescent in Whitby, Ontario, and a registered member of the Canadian Association of Heritage Professionals. I've worked on restoring a couple of projects in your municipality as such as the George Broxton House on Lesley Street and I'm currently working on the Luna home at 94 Church Street South. Uh I will be brief. Um I appear before this afternoon representing Rakai South Developments and their plans to restore the Jacob Heisy the third house on their property at 10 971 Bay View Avenue. Rakai plans undertake an exterior envelope restoration to restore the building envelope and mechanical systems so as to make the home weathertight and with the overall design goal of restoring the exterior per appearance of the home as it was in 1907. We've itemized our work program, our work schedule, um heritage attributes that we wish to preserve and recreate in our conservation management plan that is before you. Uh sorry it got so so thick but uh there's a lot of work to do. Uh we will be hiring appropriate um trades people with good uh qualifications and heritage of work to execute the work uh as we did on the George Sprock and House for another client. So we have um uh connection to trades who who will help us perform the work. Uh, and really I am just here to uh answer any questions the committee may have. Um, and that's it for me, Madam Chair. >> So, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Uh, we'll go to our next delegation, Elina Katskova for 10376 Young Street. Miss Katova, you are on camera. Do we have her? There she is. Welcome. >> Um, my name is Alina Katova. I am the owner of um 11575 Young Street. >> Can you see me? Oh, perfect. >> Yes, we can. Thank you. >> I'm going to start. Good afternoon, members of the committee. My name is Alina Katova. I am the owner of the property Jefferson Schoolhouse located at 11575 Young Street. What I'd like to um do, first of all, I want to talk about the unfortunate fire that we suffered in summer and the damage to the property. And then I'd like to um discuss potential redevelopment opportunities that we have in mind for the property. Karen, would you be kind enough to pull up the photos that I uh provided yesterday? Oh, thank you Monica. Thank you. So, this is what the interior of the property looks like right now. There's about eight images. You can see that the fire in summer um compromised the building structural integrity, leaving most materials unsalvageable. My engineer is on the call as well to uh discuss that a little bit further and provide technical detail. This damage has created an urgent safety hazard. We have had unhoused individuals attempting to access the site, putting up tents, um potentially trying to get inside. For winter, I see that this could be a potential hazard because um given the state of the building, the roof can collapse and that would result in fatalities and a major liability for the city. As per city requirements, we have reinforced the fence to try and prevent any homeless individuals from accessing that so far has uh been successful. We haven't had any issues, but I do know that probably they might try to attempt getting inside. The last image is the reinforcement of the fence. Uh moving forward, we do intend to safely redevelop the site into much needed affordable housing. This site is ideally situated across from the bus station. We plan to utilize government grants and um advance this project hopefully soon. This will generate new development fees for the city of Richmond Hill. Um currently we feel that the structure cannot be saved, but we do remain fully committed to recovering any viable original materials so we can create a permanent installation commemorating the legacy of the Jefferson Schoolhouse. And I believe my architect can talk a little bit more as to the salvageable materials that are on the site. >> Thank you. Go ahead. Is that person online? >> Yeah, I just saw him. Sandra Social. He was just connected >> there. No, that's Ryan. Ryan, >> but thank you to the chair. The um her architect is sign up as a delegation. So I finish her delegation and then move forward to her architect >> with the remaining time. >> No, he he's signed up separately. >> Oh, he's number three. I I apologize. I see that on. Okay, that's fine. Um, Elena, we will uh move to your architect now. Thank you very much. Have you completed your uh your comments? >> Yes, thank you. >> Okay, thank you. So moving to five 5.3 excuse me sorry one sec we have Sandro Sasha to also speak to 10376 Young Street from Sasha Professional Engineers welcome Mr. SHA everybody. >> Good afternoon everybody, members of committee and chair. Um I am just for the record I'm Elena's engineer not architect. Uh I am a professional engineer licensed with the uh association of professional engineers of Ontario. I'm president of social professional engineers. Uh we've been uh in business as a consulting firm for about 40 39 years now. worked on numerous uh heritage projects throughout the city of Toronto and the GTA both um a large extent and smaller much smaller projects. Um so Elena called me in uh once the fire had occurred. Um my team of engineers went in to assess the uh uh structural integrity of the building. Yes, she's correct in stating that the uh roof was completely u non-salable salvageable. Um the fire had a impact to an already already uh deteriorating building envelope. Uh when I found it, it was um you know suffering from cracked masonary, spald masonary, saturated masonary. Um the fire damage uh had a very negative impact to the uh motor joints. So I don't find a lot of structural integrity in those existing walls. I do agree with uh Elena's conservation plan to salvage as much as the brick as possible uh to be reused only under a nonstructural uh condition. Could be a uh interior walls, anything non-loadaring. It could be um memor memor uh walls around the site just uh you know memor uh like the word's not coming to me. Uh but it can be used for any I have no objection using the the masonary for anything other than non-structural uses. Um so I'm here today to uh answer any questions which you may have um in relative to the uh to this application. >> Thank you Mr. Sasha. I appreciate it. >> We will now move on to our scheduled business agenda item six. And the first one up is 6.1 which is SR staff report SRPBS 26065 request for approval heritage permit application 11666 Young Street the William H Ledger House also known as the Jefferson Post Office. Can I have a member of committee? Well, by the way, just for the record before we go there, we have with us so that it's on record, uh, with us committee members are, uh, vice chair Barbara Deamro, committee members Agnes Parr, Barbara Mar Owen, Steven Leboutier, Diane Mloud, Timothy Cheng, Brian Hat, and councelor Thompson, who always joins us online. Thank you, sir, for joining us. One more time. So, could I have a member of committee move 6.1 forward for discussion? Please just raise your hand. There you go, Agnes Parr. Thank you. Um, Agnes, as the mover, uh, you have the floor. >> Have the floor. Thank you very much. Um, I'm actually very happy to see something like this for the restoration of the William Lakehouse. is a very important part of uh the Richmond Hills history specifically to the Jefferson Corners and it will be you know the only original building remaining after we discuss the um Jefferson Schoolhouse. But I'm very pleased to see this coming forward and I'm in agreement with the what the staff has to say there. And I do want to thank uh Pamela and the staff for the hard work they've done. >> Absolutely. Thank you, Agnes. Appreciate it. Anybody any other member of committee wish to make a comment here on um 6.1? Just raise your hand so I can see you on the screen. Seeing none. Okay. So, I I um I echo um committee member PA's um uh sentiments and thank you very much to our staff uh for this uh very comprehensive report. And um I would like to commend the um the owner of this property for uh doing what they can to try and protect at least part of it. So, thank you. Um so, uh one more call for any comments. Councelor Thompson, would you like to say anything? >> Uh, no. I think has uh phrased it quite appropriately. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, councelor. Committee member Chang, go ahead, sir. >> Uh, Madame Chair, uh, and members of committee, I just have one question. Uh, the renovation or the Yeah. uh is uh only for the exterior. Uh why is the interior not covered or is it not part of the heritage uh program or is it in other words is the interior not uh of any heritage uh uh significance? >> Okay, good question. Thank you Timothy. Uh Pamela, could you chime in please? Thank you. Hello Pamela, welcome. >> Hello. Yes. Um, thank you through you, Madame Chair. Um, it's a great question. So, the reason why the interior isn't covered um through this heritage permit is because there aren't any heritage attributes identified within the building. Uh, so um there's nothing really to protect from the interior and from my understanding the interior has also been um gutted uh since it was um boarded up. So, there isn't really anything additional to um to preserve um anyways. Well, thank you. Thank you. >> Pleasure. >> That's it, Timothy. >> Uh, yes. >> Okay. Thank you, Chairman. >> Thank you, sir. >> Okay. Uh, last call. Anybody else? Seeing no hands. Okay. So, uh, moved by Agnes Parr. We have before us agenda item 6.1 SRPBS26065 request for approval heritage permit application 11666 Young Street the William H le J house did we lose Karen Well, looks like we have lost councelor Silvitz. Um, I give her maybe a minute or two to come back in. Uh, if not, uh, Vice Chair Dember, you will need to take over. But let's give her uh let's give her a minute or so. Hello everybody. I'm back. Can you hear me? Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Sorry, all of a sudden you froze. Okay. Uh let me just go back because I don't know what you heard. So, uh we have item 6.1 in front of us. Moved by Agnes Parr. All those in favor, committee members, none opposed. That carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Okay, moving to our next item, which is agenda item 6.2, SRPBS266. Um, request for approval heritage permit application 10971 Bay View A Avenue, the Jacob Heisy, uh, the third house. Um, could I have a member of committee move that forward for discussion? Please just raise your hand. I would appreciate it. Thank you, Barbara Marwan. So moved as the mover. Barbara, you have the floor. Do you wish to comment? >> I through the chair. I really have no comments other than to say I u read the uh report from the staff and I thought it was very well done and uh I'm in favor of of what's being proposed. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Is there anybody else on committee who would like to make a comment? Agnes, go ahead. >> Let me just unmute myself here. Yes. Um, again, I'm also the just so the our delegations that are listening listening, I am the heritage Richmond Hill representative to Richmond Hill historical society. Uh, this is something that the historical society likes to see. I do want to thank the staff for their report. I want to thank Mr. Santa Moore, I hope I've got your name right for the um conservation report. I always find these things I do read them and they're very educational and informative and this will be a lovely thing to see. Those are my comments. >> Thank you, Agnes. I agree. Anybody else on committee in this round who wish to make comments? Seeing none cancerments, are you there? Have I lost you all again? Come on, >> Council. We We can hear you. Um, >> you can hear me. Okay. >> Okay. Councelor Thompson, can you hear me? >> Yes, that's all good. Thank you. >> Okay. All good. Okay. Excellent. And thank goodness I didn't swear. Okay. So um we have in front of us my my comments are exactly the same. I I completely agree with our mover and uh with um Agnes Parr. Um and thank you very much to everybody who provided written material uh to this particular agenda item. Um it is especially when we have the item that's coming up next. It is so refreshing that we see these two items come forward to us for protection of heritage and I want to thank both parties for what they are trying attempting to do here and we hope and trust it will be successful. So moved by Barbara Marwin agenda item 6.2 two uh staff report SR PBS 26066 request for approval heritage permit application 10 971 Bayiew Avenue the Jacob Heisy I the third house all those in favor any opposed seeing none that passes unanimously thank you very much and thank you to those to the delegations all right we're going to move to item 6.3. Um, may I have someone on committee move this forward for discussion, please? >> Barbara Nambro. Thank you, Vice Chair Deamro. You have the floor, madam. >> Uh, through the chair reading that the schoolhouse needs to be demolished because of what has happened, I think is disheartening for all of us. But it seems through the staff's report there was due diligence uh the engineering reports are good but the question I have is what can be salvageable and then what will be done with it because I think the one of the the delegate Sandro Sua he said that the bricks or whatever weren't would couldn't be used for a new structure but how much of that do we know or not know and if whatever can be establishable is there any plan in place of what we can do with the materials from the schoolhouse. Are we going to try to recreate it or like what thought has been given to that? And if we are, is there a site in Richmond Hill that we thought of putting those materials to try to rebuild a schoolhouse that looks like the Jefferson Schoolhouse? So, were there any thoughts on that? I just wanted to know from the staff. Um, because I read through all the reports and that I didn't really um think I had that question answered for me. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Barb. Uh Pamela. >> Yes. Um for you, Madam Chair. Uh so we we don't have those specific answers yet. We're hoping to have those answers um through the process should um council um go with the recommendations that um staff are recommending. So, one of the reports that we um are recommending that HR support and that council pass is to have a salvaging uh report or salvage study completed through which um there will be a more in-depth look at the specific materials and uh determine their salvageability and how they may be used. Um as a delegate mentioned that um they are no longer able to be used uh for structural purposes but um there may be other ways through which they could be used u perhaps as cladding perhaps as in other ways but um that is known for sure yet because those reports have not been completed uh in terms of how they may be um what may be done with the materials in the future or what can be done with the Jefferson Schoolhouse. So, um staff are recommending that the schoolhouse be uh rebuilt on site. Uh this is something that we will if council approves this recommendation that um conversations will continue to happen with the owner and we can see what can be done. Um and um as another one of the delegates mentioned that um they plan to come forward with a development application. So should something like this come forward um the discussions would be had through this process as well and um that may open up other opportunities and other um options as to how to proceed. >> Thank you Pamela. Just by the way I didn't I don't believe I read this into the record. Agenda item 6.3 is SRPBS 26068 request for approval demolition request application 11575 Young Street the Jefferson Schoolhouse. I just wanted to make sure that was on the record. Thank you, Pamela. Uh Barb, do you have anything further? >> Um through the chair, thank you Pamela for that and thank you for the extensive work that was done on the Jefferson Schoolhouse and the engineering reports. It's quite comprehensive. So, a lot of thought has gone into it. I think from a heritage perspective and um as someone who like other members of of this committee believe in heritage and heritage in Richmond Hill, um we'd like to see that due diligence has been done. Thank you everyone. Thank you, Barb. Appreciate it. Anybody else on committee wish to make a comment? Agnes, go ahead, ma'am. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Um, I want to state that the historical societ the Richmond Hill historical society's position with regards to the Jefferson Schoolhouse has been um one that's been against demolition. But with this fire occurring, that has changed everything. Fire unfortunately doesn't differentiate between new and old. changes the whole dynamic and you know sadly we're at the point where we are at today. I want to thank Pamela and the heritage staff for their hard work in this report for it being very thorough and doing their uh due diligence and I'm going to we're going to support this this report. I do have a question that I would like to put to the um the delegates engineer and that gets back to to the bricks because I've read about the salvage um operation and I'd also want to comment on the part at the end where it talks about a commemoration strategy and I've had a conversation with our president Jim Vulmer and at the very minimum this is something that the historical society would interested in at least like having conversation with staff about that aspect of it. But my question, if I can put it um through you, Madame Chair, to the delegate, I believe it's um social engineering about the bricks. I know like fires, they're all different. They behave in different ways. You can't necessarily see much from the outside, but the inside can be totally gutted. Um, so depending on like what could be salvaged like bricks could it could look like that it's perfectly okay but fire can do damage that's not visible to the eye. So I'm wondering if he could you know comment on that so that those of us you know where we're not so knowledgeable about these things he could give us a little explanation about that because you look at the bricks and they might look fine but they may not be fine. So that's my my question to him if he could elaborate a little bit more on that in terms of you know aspect of what could be salvageable and what may look salvageable but isn't. >> Uh thank you Agnes. Um deputy clerk bon um is Mr. SA still online? Can we bring him in or should we not do that? >> Thank you to the chair. Uh so um once the delegation has has spoken and the motion has been moved by a member of the committee um that is it for for let's say interactions um the delegations are are provided five minutes and then that that is it but um perhaps >> Pamela may be able to >> Pamela may be able to comment on it or Kumal if he's there. Thank you. >> Yeah. No, we we will go we will go to that. Sure. Absolutely. Thank you. Um, thank you Ryan. Appreciate it. Uh, Pamela, can you give us your insights, please? >> Yes. Um, so unfortunately, I'm not a structural engineer, so my my um realm of knowledge isn't that in depth that I can comment um with any uh detail as to how to determine or what can um what can change with the brick. Um just from a very basic general level that um there's different temperatures of fire. And so um as you as you may know that bricks are created by you know being in a kiln and then they're heated. So sometimes the the the material inside a brick um if heated to a certain temperature may change that may make it more brittle. Um it may create crystals or other material that um may cause cracking or other sort of uh deficiencies to the structural integrity of the brick itself. Thank you, Pamela. Agnes, anything further? >> Uh, no. Those are those are my comments. And um but I actually I just would like to add something further come to think of it. >> Um this is the this is the third heritage building that we have lost in the last two years due to fire. And I'm wondering if Pamela can comment on or perhaps if there's anything perhaps, you know, working in the background as how we can um protect our heritage buildings because this is the third one in two in two years and it's very sad because they've they're all been lost. >> Yeah, I appreciate that, Agnes. Unfortunately, it's it's left up to the the land owner. Pamela, >> I know. >> Yeah, through you, Madam Chair. Um this is um a discussion that we um with uh city staff are continually to um having because we do recognize that pattern and we are quite concerned about this pattern. Um so we're we're we're trying to think of strategies through which we can implement and hopefully prevent this from continuing to happen. Um because as you mentioned it it it's it's happening quite regularly now. uh and there's a lot of other factors that are at play here as well with um there's um which I won't get into here because it's beyond the realm of our of the committee scope but that um yes this is something that we are um having continual discussions on and hopefully we can come up with some strategies in the future and bring them forward to the committee. >> Thank you Pamela. Does the Ontario Heritage Act allow us any any leeway here? We already have implemented something um that the Ontario Heritage Act does allow is a property standards bylaw and there is a special section um that uh deals specifically with heritage buildings uh and vacant heritage buildings. Um and that does give us a little bit of teeth to enforce like extra security measures to ensure that a building remains um uh secure from uh unlawful entry. You know, people coming in doing what they do within like vacant buildings. Um but beyond that, uh I'm not familiar offhand with any other tools specifically through the Ontario Heritage Act. >> Thank you, Pamela. Agnes, anything else? >> Uh, no. Those are my comments and thank you very much, Pamela, for your response. >> Thank you both. Next person on my speakers list is Brian Hat. Go ahead, sir. >> You're muted. >> There we go. Thank you. Uh, thank thank you, Cer and chair. Um, I can answer some of those questions in regards to the brick from from through through through uh through my knowledge. Um, I'm no longer in the brick industry, but I was in the brick industry for for quite some time. Um, and I'm I'm very sad to see this this uh specific uh location go the way it has. Um the brick that is used uh will not be salvageable to to any great extent. Um it'll be a double brick building. However, um all of the brick that is used and looking at that one in particular, there is brick that is imported into Canada uh that replicates that specific brick. So if uh whether it be a a house or a building and I've done some projects uh in in in the in different areas in heritage restoration uh that all of that brick is available. Uh you you cannot I don't recommend reusing the existing brick but having an exact match to a brick of any house or building from 1970 or earlier is available. um you know whether it's coming from the US or from England uh it's it's all there is a company that I was formerly with that has a division called vintage brick so um having that aspect of of that brick will it be used again unfortunately probably not but having the if you want to replicate the look of that building um with with the same type of brick definitely doable um and I would through you, Madam Chair. I'd like to see that if we are doing something on that specific site to replicate that building that we we you know we recommend that they go that route of using to make it look like it did. >> Thank you, Brian. Appreciate it. Your uh expertise in that is very helpful. Thank you. Anything further? That's it. Okay. Okay. Okay, members of C members of committee um on this first round, anybody wish to add anything? Uh go ahead, Stephen. >> Just unmute yourself. >> Um so I am I understand that there's no salvage or restoration plan in place right now. >> Uh Pamela, >> after you madam chair, that's correct. >> Okay. So, we're going to uh vote on whether we recommend to accept this demolition request, >> but without >> a salvage plan or restoration plan. It just doesn't seem >> putting the cart before the horse type of thing. >> Yeah, I know what you're saying, Steven Pamela. We have no action here that we can actually do under the Ontario Heritage Act um or the Planning Act to require that this land owner reconstructs the the um Jefferson Schoolhouse. Do we >> um this is what um we're recommending right now. So through the demolition request um we're applying or we're recommending that conditions be applied to this demolition. So before approving the demolition to go forward, um we're recommending that um certain reports be completed uh including like um a conservation or restoration plan to see what will be done on the site. Uh and um once those uh documents are completed, then the demolition can proceed. >> Okay. But we have no mechanism to enforce it, do we? So one of the recommendations that we're also making is for the owner to enter into a heritage agreement. Through this heritage agreement, they would be required to provide us with securities. Um so in the case where um the work is not completed or is done in a way that is not satisfactory to the city then we would be drawing on the securities to complete the work. So that that's a way of like a financial way of like encouraging them to complete the work. by the work are you referring to um rebuilding um the the schoolhouse >> at this point um given that there are no other um active applications for the property that is what we are recommending um but that will change as the discussions um proceed with the honor >> okay thank you that does narrow it down Stephen >> yeah that's good I was just curious >> thank you very much anybody else on round one who hasn't spoken who wishes to speak. Seeing none, Councelor Thompson, would you like to speak, sir? Go ahead. >> Uh, thank you. Um, it is a sad day that we're having to have this conversation today. Um for Pamela, um and following up on what uh Stephen was uh uh getting at, the the plan, it it sounds like something that could evolve because you would still be in discussions with the land owner as you move forward. Uh if if this goes forward. Um, so I know that at one time uh there was another location within this the city. As a matter of fact, up at u uh St. John's Baptist Church, they were willing to become stewards of the Jefferson Schoolhouse if anybody had been willing to move it there. So I I don't know if their appetite is still there. Uh but if there was something in the salvage agreement or whatever you come up with, um would that be something that would be entertained? uh that instead of it being um instead of us forcing the owner to now try and incorporate this on the same property, uh if there was an appetite for both parties to a move it off of this site and so now it would be reconstructed elsewhere. Uh would that be something that the city would have an appetite under the the act? I know that the Heritage Act typically does not like the idea of moving structures anywhere, but >> I'll I'll leave that with you to mull over and and let us know what you think. >> Thank you, Councelor Thompson. Uh it's a good it's a very good point actually. Unfortunately, the house definitely cannot be moved structurally. They'll just crumble and fall. Um Pamela, can you add anything to that? >> Yes. Um yeah, through you, Madam Chair. Um excellent question. Uh and I understand that there is quite an interesting history between um the church and the schoolhouse. Um so um from a heritage conservation perspective it is um preferred to have um a building remain at their original site uh because there is that that that history tied to that specific location. And I think this is especially important with the the old Jefferson hamlet because there's such a small number of Jefferson buildings like it's just the Jefferson Schoolhouse and the Jefferson post office right across the street. Um so um staff would um prefer for the building to be reconstructed on site. Um but nothing is set in stone. So like the the discussions can continue with the owner and see what what will be preferred and also um if it if it comes to this and also discussions with the church uh to see um if they do still have an appetite to to uh be the new stewards of the Jefferson Schoolhouse on their property. So it really will depend on how these conversations um continue to evolve. could an alternative counselor. >> Uh yeah, so at least uh the idea that those conversations could uh you know not be precluded out of this that it's something that could happen. Um that suits me fine. I I'll leave it there. Thank you, councelor. Uh last call for anybody on this round um who would like to speak. Okay, seeing none, I'll give my comments and then see if there's a round two. Um, this is tragic and um I'm very sad about this as a number of our committee members have said, but I'm also furious because this should never have happened and this is the poster child for demolition by neglect. And um I can't live inside um the land owner's heads, but unfortunately it's most likely what was the preferred outcome, which is very sad because it speaks to our absolute heritage, cultural heritage in history. And um as Agnes said, it's uh as far from the as far as the historical society is concerned, I'm I'm sure they would agree with um my feelings. Um we've watched this little schoolhouse get worse and worse and worse through the years, many many years. Uh this particular committee as well as the one before and possibly the one before as well. We have seen right Diane, we have seen this come before us for a very very long time and I I am so upset about this because we are losing something that now is completely um unsalvageable. So, um, if if a replica can be built, I I can almost hear the words inside the land owner's head, and that is it will not be built on that property because they want that property to redevelop for um for development. Um, should the church wish to do something, very interesting concept, counselor, thank you. Um that's I guess as Pamela says that's a discussion for another day. But um as a committee and as chair of this committee, we have no choice but to move this demolition request to council. And that'll happen on December the 3rd, which will be the first c the first committee of the whole meeting of the newly inaugurated coun council, which takes place on November the 23rd. So I would urge our council, our committee members here, when this comes to committee of the whole on December the 3, I would like to see some of these faces giving your comments as your last and final effort to your four years on this incredible committee because I think the public record should show exactly what has happened here. It cannot be denied and it cannot be made it cannot be made to look any sweeter. There's no icing that can be put on this cake. So, uh committee members, I leave that up to you and um I will certainly let you know and as to when the agenda is released and whether or not you wish to put your names forward to step forward in in um in protection or uh of this house of this Jeff of the schoolhouse. I will leave that up to you. Um, I will certainly make my comments and I'm pretty sure Councelor Thompson and Councelor Davidson, who's unfortunately not with us today, will make those will make those comments as well. This is an absolute travesty and um I absolutely decry what we have in front of us now. But we have it in front of us now and there is only one extra one more step that we can actually take in public safety. So um for round two, is there anybody who would wish to make any comments on round two? Okay, I'm seeing none. I don't I've said my piece. So before us is agenda items um 6.3 staff report SRPBS 26068 request for approval demolition request application 11575 Young Street known as the Jefferson Schoolhouse moved by Barbara Mar sorry who was this moved by yes Barbara DeMro thank you I'm looking at my initials moved by Vice Chair Barbara Debro. Um, this will now move forward to council. All those in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that passes unanimously. Thank you very much uh members of committee and thank you uh to our staff who've really worked so long and so hard on that particular file. Thank you. Thank you. It's not lost on anybody. So uh with that we're about to come to our final item on the agenda which is adjournment but I would just like to take this opportunity to once again thank this committee this 22 26 term of office for this particular um heritage uh Richmond Hill committee. You have all performed admirably and I thank you so much for everything you have given to this committee and to the city and to our residents and to the memory of of everything that has come before us that we've tried so hard to protect. So um thank you all of you. Um it has been an absolute pleasure uh serving as your chair and an absolute pleasure serving uh with you as on this committee. Um it has not been an easy four years but I do believe that we have done our absolute best and we have come to the very best conclusions uh before us for every single issue that has been uh that has been approved and moved uh and moved to council for final approve approvals. So um with that thank you um hope to maybe see some of you on the next on the next Heritage Richmond Hill committee. That would be very nice. Uh but thank you for your for your service on in this particular committee. Uh you has been spectacular. Thank you Timothy. Did you want to say something? >> No, I just uh want to say thank you uh madam chair and also thank you for all the staff and those are excellent reports uh prepared by the staff >> and I'm happy to see the the result of uh this meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you Timothy. echo that that our heritage staff works amazingly well and they are so dedicated to what they to what they do. It it's it definitely makes our hearts feel a little bit better. Councelor Thompson, you wanted to add a comment. >> Uh just quickly, uh the committee of the whole is actually December the 2nd, not December. >> Oh, it's the second. Excuse me. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for that correction. I appreciate it. So, it's December 2nd. Um, and then the council meeting will be December the 9th. Thank you very much, council. I appreciate that. >> And what time is that meeting at? >> That's at 9:30. >> Okay. >> I will make sure you all get that information. Okay. Um, okay then. So, our uh last item on the agenda and our last item for this particular Heritage Richmond Hill committee is adjournment of this meeting. Who would like to move that forward? Where are my hands? There. Brian hat. Thank you, Mr. Hat. Appreciate it. All those in favor. That carries unanimously. Thank you very much. My thanks to staff and to our deputy clerk and all everybody in the clerk's office and in our heritage planning division. Thank you very much for everything you have done during this this particular term of this this committee. It is greatly greatly appreciated and I look forward to working with everybody further.