All right. Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to this meeting of finance and corporate services committee. Uh we will get right into it. There are three consent items. Could I get a mover for the consent items? Moved by councelor Ooneyi. Any questions or concerns on this? I am not seeing any those in favor and opposed and that carries. >> Uh yeah, and sorry I skipped over. Were there any disclosures of punary interests in finance and corporate services committee agenda? I am not seeing any. Okay. Okay. So, we'll get into the discussion items. Uh the first is the oh the Savic Homes 15 Delray Avenue. Uh which is recommended for adjournment. Um could I get if anyone's have any questions move for that? Councelor Ionitis. Any questions or concerns on this? Not seeing any. Those in favor and that carries unanimously. Okay. We'll move on to the Victoria Park master plan. I believe Miss Lisa is going to be uh doing a fiveminute presentation. >> Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. >> Good. Uh good afternoon everyone. I'm Karen Lisa, landscape architect and project manager in parks and cemeteries. Uh today we're bringing forward the Victoria Park master plan and providing miring council with a an overview of the project as well as the outcomes and recommendations for the next 10 years of this treasured public space. >> Apologies. Could you maybe just move the microphone a smidge closer? Yeah, the audio is not so great. Thanks. >> It's my 5 foot2. Um, all right. So, this presentation will walk you through our project overview, structure, phasing, proposed recommendations, and our implementation strategy. The purpose of the master plan focuses on the following key objectives. One, to complete a data-driven inventory analysis and analysis of existing park conditions. Two, to reflect how residents currently use and envision the future of Victoria Park. uh three to establish recommendations for the protection, stewardship and development of the park and four to develop a short and long-term clear implementation strategy. The Victoria Park master plan is compos composed of three phases. Phase one, inventory, data collection and analysis. Phase two engage in envisioning and phase three, the master plan development. Phase one highlights our quantitative data-driven approach to the master plan, which included a thorough inventory of all existing parks infrastructure. Our consultant noted areas of focus as part of the assessment which included improvements of the pedestrian pathway network. Lighting gaps, uh, repairs to site furnishings, consistent signage, and playground area upgrades within phase one. As well, we deployed 15 sensor stations across the park in partnership with the innovation lab. This overview shows an extraction of data from September of last year that indicated 4.6 million visitors to the park in a 12-month period. Clearly a well-used space. And the analysis of this year-over-year baseline data set will be appended to the master plan and will assist in future strategic and policy work. This phase for uh phase two engagement is focused on really listening both internally to staff perspectives as well as the valuable feedback we receive from the public. We partnered with consultants on this phase as well to build out and facilitate engagement as well as produce an engagement summary report. Key themes that emerged from this report included accessibility, safety, connectivity, naturalization, and programming. for recommendations. This work resulted in 32 final recommendations across capital, strategic and policy categories with strong alignment between identified needs and life cycle investments implementation. Um, for the near term 2026 to 2028, we've focused on six funded capital priorities, including upgrading the picnic shelter, electrical servicing, active play zone improvements, basketball courts, trails, and continued data collection. These six projects fall within the currently funded scope of the implementation budget. We currently have $2.3 million in the Victoria Park capital budget. Of the remaining 26 recommendations, 13 capital projects are targeted within the 3 to 10-year unfunded window, which would require future budget processes and considerations by council. Policy and strategic items will be developed concurrently by staff. And in conclusion, after three years, um the master plan reflects a collaborative and data-informed process and provides a strong foundation for the park's next 10 years. Thank you very much. >> Thank you for the presentation. I will now take uh questions. Councelor Chapman. >> Yeah, thank you. and um thank you for a very um rigorous and and um great community engagement um process to get to get to where we are today. Um I just wanted a couple things. Um the electricity that's being requested by residents in the Dill Street area um where the um what do you call it? The food trucks set up. Is that going to be part of this project? like in the early stages, right? >> Go ahead and you can just keep your microphone on too. Okay. Thank you. >> Uh yes. So, as part of the conceptual design that's focused on in the master plan um in the southern end of the park where the active play zone is highlighted um that's adjacent to the vendor area for the food truck. And we've heard from your constituents as well that um there's noise and and fumes that um are caused by the existing food truck vendors. So we'll have a um a dedicated electrical outlet for those vendors as part of the um capital work that's upcoming and look at interimm um solutions as well. >> Okay, that's wonderful. Thank you. Um I know this um might go a bit beyond the scope of the master plan, but um we also heard a lot from residents about the um crossing at Jubilee Park. Um so where has that landed? Um so we're working on a active transportation strategy as part of uh one of the 32 recommendations and that's going to concurrently be worked on um with our transportation staff and their transportation master plan and alongside the data that we have from the sensor technology that will overlay with information our colleagues have as well to find the best possible cross like midblock crossing um along Jubilee. Um, so we'll be working on that in the um longer term portion of the master plan. >> Okay. My my final question has to do with the debris that collects in the in the um in the lake. Um it I haven't heard any concerns for a while, but I anticipate as well when we have droughts that's usually when when they arise. Is anything being changed or modified in the um structure to to help mitigate that? So, we are working uh with our storm water sanitary and storm water staff on the water quality aspect of that as well. Um that's part of a recommendation that we're bringing forward. Um we'll look at potential um uh machinery and and other options for the water quality. And um after large storm events and major events that are held in the commons and in other parts of the park, we often see a lot of debris um that collects at the Sloo Gate at the um side of David Street. So it's it's been an ongoing um um effort with our park parks operations staff to maintain that and they've been doing a great job of kind of keeping on top of um of that debris. But there's other efforts that we can um look into from a strategic standpoint as well and we will be doing that in the the short term. >> So that is a short-term um fix. Yeah. Oh, great. Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Next is Councelor Initis. >> Thank you, Chair Davey. I guess my question was is going to probably go to Jonathan and uh I'm just wondering where is this this funding coming from because what I see here is restructuring of the near-term implementation of this plan. So I'm curious where was where did this fall in our capital project capital projects plan >> Mr. Lumbach? So through the chair, this is a project that was uh identified in our 10-year capital forecast. So there was work for the design work that's been happening related to the uh development of the the master plan and this was funding that was uh earmarked for the implementation of that plan within that capital forecast from 2026 to 2028. >> Okay. So are these the exact numbers or is there have they changed >> Mr. L? >> So through the chair uh this is the budget funding that was set aside specifically for the implementation. So it is in line with what's in the forecast as uh indicated in the report. Some of the funding is funded from development charges and so there could be uh some impacts as we look at the capital forecast more long term to see um what can be funded with a funding envelope for the full implementation. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you councelor Deno. Thank you chair Davey and uh yeah thanks for this very uh in-depth uh report on Victoria Park. Um so my I have a few questions. Um, so I I I see in here that the park is recommended or the playground structure, sorry, is recommended before doing any splash uh splash pad improvements. And I think they're both probably I think it they both indicate they're at kind of the end of life. So why did we choose the playground structure instead of the uh uh splash pad area to to focus on first? So it's it's not specifically the structure, it's more the rubberized surfacing. Um but uh it's at the end of its life cycle. And uh um there's sort of a balance there of our criteria that we looked at both from engagement from phase one and phase two to kind of balance out what uh what was a priority and that was what came to the top of the list. Um knowing that hand inand they would be really good amenities. Uh we're hoping that we can look at a funding opportunity for the splash pad in the longer term. >> Okay. Yeah, that's that's a great segue into my next uh question. When was the playground structure replaced? >> Mr. Paris, go ahead >> through the chair. The last replacement was done in 2014. >> So 12 years ago. >> And what about the splash pad? When was that last updated or reconfigured? Was it around the same time? >> That I do not know. We can go back and look at that exact date. >> Um, okay. And what I guess are we looking at the next surface to be the same or is there something better that may cost a little bit more money but actually will last longer >> through the chair. The idea is to replace the rubberized surface uh similar to what is exists right now. The other op the other options would require to remove the equipment and put it back in. So it would be replaced in situ. So it would be a rubberized asphalt pavement similar to what's there right now. >> Okay. And that's about is that like a 10 year lifespan then that that material. >> Uh 8 to 10 years roughly depending on a variety of conditions. >> Okay. Um and so uh Karen, you indicated uh there was like 4.2 million visitors last year. Like is there a way to break down the playground visits versus the water park? or the splashpad visits in those numbers >> necessarily though >> through the chair. There's there is um some data that's just outside of the playground itself. Um but the the data is more geared towards active transportation and like the the trail network itself and not specifically the playground and splash pad. >> Okay. All right. And my last question, do you know do we know if there's any infrastructure grants related to um park improvements in and I'm trying not to focus on the splash pad, but you know, we have more and more people moving into into downtown. Um you know, our we know our our our world is getting a lot hotter and so it the splash pad I'm sure is used for many families and people as a cooling down center. And so like do we forecast any grants coming from the feds or province to help with some of those remedies to help people cool down? I don't I guess we can't look into crystal ball, right? >> Miss McGold's got a crystal ball though. >> So through the chair. Um no, I don't have a crystal ball. Uh but we do actively look for um grant funding opportunities across our capital program um and initiatives that the city uh works on. I know that we have there has been accessibility grant funding that we've applied um to recently um and and you know we we'll continue to look at what grant and and the criteria associated with those grants uh for various uh capital projects and specifically Victoria Park as well. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next is Councelor Johnston. >> Thank you, Chair Davyy. And um I think that my remarks will kind of piggyback on what councelor Deno was asking about um Mark I mean Mr. Paris, I've been in touch with you quite a bit uh uh with regards to residents reaching out to me about kind of end of life on uh many of our playgrounds and uh and the structures and certainly with I think it was 4,600,000 visits to uh Victoria Park last year, which by the way that's really awesome. Like let's celebrate that number. That's that's really quite incredible. Um, obviously our playground equipment and our splash pad, etc. are a real draw for people to the park. It' be really wonderful if we could. You said that that was last replaced in 2014. You know, my kids are 34 and 31 now, and it still looks very similar to what they played on. Like just a few like maybe parts of it were replaced in 2014, but I don't think the whole thing was right. Yeah, Mr. Paris, go ahead. >> Through the chair, it was a partial replacement. Before that, it was entirely wood structure, but some of it's uh some of the pieces still remain, namely the large corkcrew slide is the last remaining piece. >> Okay. Okay. So, it might as well leave it on. Okay. Um yeah. Anyhow, I think that there's a lot of work to be done in our parks. And as we were asking about budget, um I know it says 2028 for that, but I I would personally really love to see us put a focus on our parks um in our next budget uh with uh with our economy, you know, um not improving on the horizon at the moment, people spend a lot of time in parks. like it's such a great place to be able to take your kids and not spend any money. So, I'm hoping that we can take a better a better look at maybe some marquee pieces for Victoria Park, but at the same time really be looking at at other uh park equipment, too. Um I'm also wondering if you can speak to lighting in the park. I often hear from people uh where the Iron Horse Trail comes into the park, etc., and concerns around safety and and lighting. So if you could speak to that please >> through the chair. Um yes. So as part of the inventory and analysis phase um as well as engagement um and even before we started our engagement we heard from uh residents about gaps in pedestrian lighting um specifically um close to the the rail crossing um near the Iron Horse Trail. Um but we've identified specific areas um both through our engagement through the inventory but also uh our um SEPTED walk with Waterl Region Police Services that was recently done this spring. Um, so we've kind of combined all of those elements and uh are looking at a a lighting strategy um to um to kind of close those gaps and have a more um uh you know safe and um consistent uh lighting strategy. and the um actual elements within the globe lights will keep the consistent heritage aspect of those lights and the aesthetic of those lights. that the um technology within them will match um what we have seen from our transportation colleagues that where we can actually remotely um control the lighting levels in the park which might help with um bylaw and our coordinated effort with water water region police in some of the more recent um activities in the park. >> Thank you. Is there anything else that we can do around around safety? like is there I mean I've never heard of this before but I wonder if there's some kind of a a button or something that could be attached to a a lamp post or something uh if people are in trouble >> through the chair. Um yeah, we we did consider as part of the lighting strategy um and safety aspects when we were talking to Waterl Region Police um looking at the possibility of safety like uh their blue light posts um that you can install in specific areas. But um sometimes that's that's seen as sort of like a false sense of safety. I think there was conversations with the constable that we walked through the park with in terms of really focusing on sight lines and opening sight lines and visibility uh lighting um and like closing those gaps for pedestrian lighting um as well as wayfinding and signage so if there's someone that is um having a you know an emergency or needs um assistance that they'll be able to easily pinpoint where they are in the park. Yeah, I can I can also see abuse of of uh of that of that too as well. So, thank you. >> Thank you, councelor Singh. Thank you. Councelor Johnston captured some of my questions and my comments. Agree with her. Absolutely. This is u a cornerstone park. Um, no, it does get quite a bit ongoing investment where some of us suburban counselors will look at it envious be like, "Oh, wait a minute. What about my parks?" And that's where I agreed with councelor Johnston that I think overall I think we're making comments too. So, I'm going to piggyback on what she said, councelor Davey. um that we do need to invest I think in our overall budget uh in our parks because again uh aspect of affordability that's the most equitable way of most residents having something to be able to do without having to cost them anything. Um Victoria Park is more than just a park itself but it's also a gathering space. So how much engagement or dialogue happened with the economic development department through events planning to ensure that we with this master plan we're encapsulating the next iteration of that gathering space for larger events >> through the chair. Um yeah our internal engagement included a internal working group of 40 staff um across 15 different divisions. Uh, so we had four dedicated meetings um, but we also went back to to four different specific groups for one-on-one conversations including economic development um, and had some really good conversations there as well as um, meeting with uh, boat house owners from Wenshaw Holdings to understand their needs in terms of uh, business development and um, uh, we heard a lot about the um, you know, council's uh, thoughts around um, implementing, you know, largecale major events and the success that we've seen in the last um number of years in the commons space and we want to make sure that we're both supporting those major events and that there's infrastructure, excuse me, infrastructure in place to support those moving. >> Did we capture it though? So I I should have worded my question to you. It's in fairness to you really the gest of what I was trying to get is how much importance did not how much engagement I know that we talked to all our departments but how much importance did we give to that aspect of events planning and the economic development component of Victoria Park. How did that play as part of general park design through the chair is a critical part of the design and one of the top priorities is upgrading that electrical equipment to better support the major events and some of the other long-term initiatives reflect that uh including the water street uh park uh garage itself and making better use of that as a potential event space for uh staff uh events sorry um uh a green room for um for some of the the talent that is is in the commons as well. Uh but it is deeply entrenched in this plan. >> Okay. And are we is this going to allow can we anecdotally say yes it will uh allow us to have more events than what we're able to now or is it more of supporting the ongoing activity? Um what I'm really getting at is are we looking at enhancement and broadening or are we looking at sustaining >> through the chair? We can't speak to uh expansion but it does allow for more I would say efficient operations of it and uh places the infrastructure to to build on as well. >> Okay. All right. That would be I do you want me to just make a comments or key back in? >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Just a couple questions. Um, yeah, great report, 500 pages. No one can accuse us of not being thorough. Um, my question though was with the funding and the budgeting. Um, I know of the two plus million dollars that are budgeted for this. The question for you, Mr. Lenbach, I thought I heard you reference um there's part of it or I would like to know what part of it is DC funded. Do you know off hand, Mr. Blmore? So to the chair uh approximately 50% is DC funded in terms of the total amount of the implementation budget. So obviously as we do work related to the 2027 budget we look at DC funding and also funding in general. Um that's why the the report does reference that some initiatives may need to be scaled back depending on where we land in terms of uh different funding. >> Yeah. So again, to be clear, we saw that uh sobering report of the impacts of the pro provincial changes to DC um to to DC funding and what we can charge. So I just wanted to be clear then. So this is approving this today. This will be subject to that um that information and the moves you have to make coming back uh for the 2027 budget. >> Mr. L. So to the chair that's correct. It would come back through budget in terms of final approval of uh the implementation. >> Okay. Very good. Um those appear to be all the questions. Could I get a mover? Councelor Chapman. Councelor Chapman. Very good. Uh comments. Councelor Anitis. >> Yeah. Thank you, Chair Davyy. I think uh the numbers in itself speaks highly of the usage of this of this of the park and uh that it really is the crown jewel of of our community and I'm happy to support support the recommendation. Um we need to give we need to be able to be provide bigger and better events in in in Victoria Park. Uh but at the same time, I'm also cognizant of of the funding and everything else. So, um I'm still happy to see this here. I mean, this is definitely a statement that we do care about the downtown and we are investing in the downtown and particular with park space. So, uh I think I think this uh sends a clear message that we do really do care about the park space in our downtown. Councelor Zing. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, Mr. Chair, like you and many others around the horseshoe, I think, uh, the funding is the critical piece in this. I really wish that we were in a better space to be able to you know the questions come some of the ask of how can we enhance the space even better or how can we improve the activity that happens in in the park but we are co capped with the amount that we can do because of the funding constraints and the uh the fact that 50% of it is being funded through DC's and we're already seeing a an inability for us to um adequately fund out our overall infrastructure that comes from the DC reserves uh shows clearly the level of constraint that we have. Um I wish this could have been a lot more comprehensive than what it is. But I think this is um this meets I think the the ongoing activity as well as the current need of the park. Uh to what councelor Ietis has said and you know I'm I'm for investing in Victoria Park because it's not just a downtown park. It is a citywide park. It attracts people from all over and again it's it's um it's something very unique to a city our size to have that amount of collective green space in a very dense dense area and that's where um I think through growing together we've adequately outlined density to to support um and take best use uh out of this green space. Um uh this is something I think uh we'll have to continue on looking at different iterations of what Victoria Park means uh as a whole to the community and the downtown. But I think this is a good step forward. Um but we have to um not just improve on what's there but keep on looking at how we can be different. Uh and I think uh using Victoria Park more so as for gathering space is equally as important as the park amenities there. So hopefully that engagement with our events team and ongoing smaller upgrades that we can enhance that activity would be prudent. It's not just one and done but it should be kind of a living aspect of things how we continue improving. Thanks. >> Thank you councelor stretch. >> Thank you. Um having used the park for generations and you know played on the park when it was the the wood playground myself um I can absolutely agree with my fellow counselors that it's a destination park but it also is um some people's local park and so you know this park is all things to many people and I would really love to see investment uh follow along with that as we as we grow and as we um evolve in our our need for space and connecting with water with grass Um, so I'd love to see more event space, but I'd also like to see more naturalization spaces as well. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councelor Chapman. >> Yeah, I just want to thank you for for all the work that you've done on this and for certainly the engagement. I mean, I I watch the popups come up all over the place. Um, so that was wonderful. And as a as a park, um, I agree it's a cornerstone park, but it's also in a heritage conservation district, right? And um I think you've done a good job of conserving, you know, what it's meant to be because it's easy to fill spaces and to add lots of trees or or features, but um there's that uniqueness to this park that that needs to be respected as well. So, thank you for that. >> Thank you, Councelor Schneider. >> Thank you, Chair Davyy. So much has already been said. I just want to add to that and uh and and thank staff for for this great report. I originally sent an email out thanking you for uh just how wonderful the park is. I was able to take uh my granddaughter there and uh just to see all the kids of different cultures all playing together and the parents connecting at the uh the playground area was was just amazing. uh as a big fan of music. I love how we're able to use uh Roose Island for for music and and another way for uh residents to enjoy some free awesome local music. So, uh it's it's not just the structure of the park, but it's it's the ability to create ways for people to come often and return and make those great connections. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Councelor Deno. Thank you, Chair Davey. Um, yeah, like I said earlier, great report. My my only ask is if if we can find it somewhere in the budget in the next couple years to push up the uh the relocation and and construction of a new splash pad. I think while I I know the park, the playground uh is important, I believe the uh splash pad is is a little of higher importance um at this point in time than than the playground equipment itself for the various reasons I I mentioned before, but uh great work and yeah, it is the jewel of the city and and it's great to have that green space in the middle of a city that you don't see a lot of places. So, thank you. Great work, >> Councelor Johnson. Thank you, Chair Davyy. And I uh I support everything that my uh fellow counselors have have talked about. I think that the overall message that um that your team and the community should get from us is that we really care about Victoria Park. We really care about our parks in general. and that um you know is something that uh we'll be talking about in upcoming budgets, but I think it's an area where we'll really be looking to do some improvements um there across across the board and thank you so much for all of your work on this. I kind of envy you. What a fun thing to be able to take a look into and to dream about in terms of what our parks can be. So, thanks so much to you and your team and for your work on this. Yes, I'd like to begin by thanking Mark and especially Karen and the team, I guess, on the work on this. Um, I think it going through the the lengthy report, it looks like it's checking all the boxes, but there was a measure of of discipline in there that I really appreciated. Um, having said that, I do think it's important to set expectations um, with a lot of the comments that I've heard around the horseshoe. Now, um, it's it's kind of funny. A long time ago when I was a long time ago when I was first elected, uh someone told me that um you know staff is supposed to deliver the bad news and it's advice I've always sucked at following through on. Um but the reality is um we have been made aware of significant DC challenges we have going forward and one about 1.1 million of the two plus million dollars that we're looking at budgeting here uh comes from that source. So, by definition, that is going to be on the list we have to look at going forward. And this is why, again, I always caution council to spend money midterm uh outside of budget because this is the challenge that we're going to have to face. And it's not only going to be this park, it's going to be everything. Literally, if I recall correctly, our entire capital forecast uh needs to be looked at very closely. So, I guess I only want to say that in terms of uh if you're looking to accelerate anything when it comes uh to things like this that that are DC funded. Um that is going to be incredibly challenging for staff and I just want to be clear on that because I don't want to put that undue pressure on them. Uh having said that, I will support this. Uh again, like I said, it is a very it's very clear direction how to maintain uh this jewel in the city going forward and to make sure that it can respond to the demands that are put upon it. Uh it's been moved by councelor Chapman. Those in favor And that's carried unanimously. All right. On to the final item be the Chandler M community center renovate uh renov renovations. I don't think there's a present staff presentation for this one. No. So just uh questions on this councelor Singh. Uh not really questions. Uh be happy to move it and uh if you allow me to quickly speak on it. I think uh staff have done a good work on ongoing meeting the needs of the community center and I think the way that to allocate best usage of the community center inside space. It's a tremendously used community center um in a very densified space and I think this is actually coming in a very timely uh aspect because we're also looking at the official plan which designates this entire area into a strategic growth area which is going to add even more density than what already Chandler Mad has and you'd be surprised as I think per square footage area this might be quite equivalent to what the amount of density we have in a downtown. Uh but this is in a suburban neighborhood. Um and I'm just happy to see that the funding is primarily uh already allocated through from our existing sources or from closeout capital closeouts and uh I think this is going to broaden what uh people how people can use it and increase on the activity that we're seeing in the community center already. Thank you. >> Thank you. I have a couple questions. Um first I just want to be clear to you. Is is this method of funding a common practice that we we use using closeouts Mr. Lenbach? So through the chair uh typically closeouts would go back to the tax capital reserve or whatever the source uh funding that it relates to. um from time to time when there is a project where additional funding is needed, this would be the appropriate um method of coming forward to council seeking approval in terms of identifying those closeouts. So that's why it is in front of you today to approve the use of those funds uh for the purpose of this project. >> Okay. Thank you. And so is the is the project underway? Is that why we're looking for the additional funds or is this still to be is going to be begun at a later point? Mr. Hildebrand. >> Yeah. through the chair. Um various pieces of uh of preparation in order to do the project has been put in place. We are now at a point where we have the uh how much funding it's it's going to take and we and and we find ourselves uh here at council to uh to approve the funding. So nothing has been started except for some initial drawings and and uh review. >> Okay. I could be wrong, but I thought it recalled something to do with a a kitchen. I see a kitchenette in here, but was there ever a commercial kitchen built or planned if I can't recall for Chandler Mullet >> through the chair? Yes, the there was a commercial kitchen that was um redeveloped last year in in that community center. The kitchenet you're reading about is uh some of our our uh program spaces besides a commercial kitchen also have little kitchenetses which help with the programming in there. So that's basically um it might have a sink and a refrigerator and that's about it just to serve some food during an activity or something like that. >> Okay. Thank you. And can you remind me how much the commercial kitchen was >> Mr. Leman? Yeah. >> I'm sorry I I can get that information to you, but it just doesn't ring off the top of my head. >> No, no, no problem at all. And the splash pad was recently redone as well right >> through the chair. That is correct. It was it was done as well. >> Okay. So after this portion's done like um and again like I know it's a high needs community but after this portion of Chandler M it's done then I assume like the Chandler Mo community center should be done for quite some time. >> Uh through the chair we don't have any additional projects in the queue for this. >> Okay. Okay. Um, so just by way of comment, no one else says in the Q, yeah, this is a very high needs area and it definitely needs the investment. Um, so I will support even though it is uh, again I I don't love um, breaking things out like this midterm, but again the need is there and it was did go through and notice that some of the rooms are pretty much useless in terms of their size 20 people or something like that. So um, for this this this high need use, I'm happy to support this. I'm moved by councelor Singh. I don't see any other comments. Those in favor and that carries unanimously. And that concludes finance and corporate services committee. Mr. Mayor, can we get into to do a quick um media interview? So, let's do um >> 3:30 15 minutes. >> Oh, we can't start before 4 because we have a delegation. So, you have >> Oh, okay. A break till 4. Okay. See everyone at 4 then.