everyone and uh welcome to this meeting of the council of the town of Oakville for September 28th. Um please rise if you're able for our national anthem or not. Oh Canada, our home and native land. True to love in all with hearts we see the rise. The truth was strong and free from wide open. We stand on God for thee. Keep us free. Oh, we stand for thee. Thank you everyone. Please be seated. The town of Oakville is located on treaty lands and territory of the Missosagas of the Credit First Nation. We thank the Missagas for being stewards of this traditional territory. By 1820, the Missagas began welcoming settlers from all over the British Empire. Soon Oakville was welcoming black people fleeing the United States. Our indigenous, white, and black residents left us a community of harmony that makes us proud. In 1857, Ontario recognized Oakville as a town. At Town Hall, we fly the flag of the Missagas of the Credit with the flags of Oakville, Ontario, and Canada to acknowledge our origins. The vibrant livability we are creating for everyone attracts people from across Canada and the world. We feel sorrow for acts of racism and intolerance um anywhere, including here at home. We want our future to be equitable and inclusive for everyone. We believe the path of truth and reconciliation can unite us. Please keep well, stay safe, and let us on council know of any chance to be helpful to you and yours. Please let us know anytime you can help increase Oakville's harmony, prosperity, and livability. Um, we have regrets this evening from councelor Lless Chenna, and I just have a brief explanation I'd like to give on her behalf. Uh she is at the invitation of the honorable Anita Anan, foreign minister of Canada and of his excellency Andre Sabahha, Minister of foreign Affairs of Ukraine and foreign and the foreign affairs minister of Norway is attending an event this evening for Pathways to Peace, the second international conference on returning Ukrainian children, detained civilians and prisoners of war. A very worthy endeavor indeed and we wish her well. Um are there any declarations of pecuniary interest or conflict of interest council? Mr. Clerk, there are none. Council, are you satisfied with the minutes? And if so, could we have a mover and second for councelor Dick and councelor Shia? Thank you. Any objection? There being none, the minutes are adopted as presented. Um, council, we have a report from the advisory committee of uh the accessibility advisory committee and the Heritage Oakville advisory committee. And uh if you have questions or a motion, I'll take a motion. Councelor Giddings, I think that was what you wanted. And councelor Longo, thank you. Any any objection? There being none, both committees reports are approved and adopted. We have nine consent items. Let me find out if all of them are consent. Can I get a mover for the consent items? Councelor Dudk and a seconder. Councelor Nanda. Thank you. Are there any separations? Is there any Oh, Councelor Romero. >> Um, thank you, worship. Can I separate 9.2, please? >> Yes, you can. Um, is there any objection to the balance? Mr. Clerk, there being no objection to the balance. the balance are adopted and uh councelor Omira it's uh you you have the floor uh thank you very much um let me lower my hand because I always forget that uh on um in the growth management section of the report sorry I don't have the page number there um where we talk about number of housing units completed um and and then we look at the number of housing units, number of housing unit permits. Um, one has a negative trend. The permits obviously are are dropping. Um, but the units completed. Do we have any lag trend or any information on where we're going with that? Because obviously when the permits issued and then units completed, um, those things are correlated. So, I'm wondering um where we're going with that and what we're foreseeing in terms of units completed um as the number of permits continues to drop through you, Mr. Mayor. Uh the number of permits has I think it's bottoming out. It's it's definitely not climbed up yet. We've been in about a year year and a half long run of a relatively low number of permits roughly 40 to 50% less than previously. The nature of those permits are changing from much bigger applications to smaller applications. Our sense both from the planning and the building side is things will increase or we will get more activity in the coming year. So with everything going on with the trade world and stuff, what gives you the sense things are improving? >> Well, for one, we're seeing applications coming in that provide some confidence that the development down the road. We're seeing some mid-rise applications that have come in, for example. So we do see the planning or prep that is going to result in units built already coming in the door. Okay. So, our lag trend then from units completed and that's where we collect our DCs. That's where we collect a lot of money that we use to build things. Is that is that 2 or 3 years behind what you're seeing with what's coming in the door or what what what are we where's the gap going to be between what we um what you see coming in of pre uh preconultations with permits and when the permitting actually happens where we collect some of the money for the community benefits that we get >> uh through you Mr. Mayor Councelor, it's a hard thing to predict because some a lot of applicants go through the approvals process, get that lined up, but don't necessarily move to pulling a permit in construction at times. They very much relates to the market at the time when their planning approvals are ready. So, it's a little hard to predict, but we've been in a trough for a number of years now, a good solid two to three years. So market pressures are building. Uh like I said, we don't have a crystal ball, but trend lines show that across the GTA, there's probably some recovery coming in the next year. And then are we are are we going to be dipping into our um our permitting uh stabilization fund in order to offset um a lack of or a slowdown in in permits and payments and in terms of what what our costs associated with running this department and program are >> uh through you Mr. Mayor. I may seek input from others but yes we are drawing on the reserve account for example in building to help um supplement the decreased revenue stream uh that we've seen the last year. >> Can you give me a number on that or can staff tell me how much we're we're we're going into our our stabilization on on permitting because of a a lack of permits being pulled >> uh through the mayor? Yes. It's approximately 2 million or so that we're drawing on this year. Uh >> to June. >> Yeah. That based on the June 30th variance report. >> Okay. And then are we expecting to draw on that again in 2027? >> Through you, Mr. Mayor. Again, a little hard to predict. It's possible. Uh we're hopeful that that won't be the case, though. >> Okay. Thank you very much for that. And I just had one more question. Uh just with regards to the intergovernmental requests um 23 24 25 I apologize I don't have a page in the report in my paper here um key community indicators um we we continue to jump up in our priority intergovernmental requests 2023 it was 21 2024 it was 23 2025 it's 38. Um, do we keep a list on things we're ticking off because we've been successful in our advocacy? >> Uh, through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes. As um, different issues are resolved. Uh, they are removed from the list and that's included in a report back to council. Uh, it's usually March, April of each year where we talk about what's been closed off, uh, if any, and then, uh, any new ones we need to move forward. >> Okay. So, so I would love to ask what accounts for the, you know, getting close to doubling of, um, intergovernmental requests. Um, but I I I guess my my question is, um, you know, is there a way that we can report back more frequently on that and and and report back on on sort of what we're doing to sort of accelerate that? Do we have check-in points? I mean, a lot of this is we pass a motion and it goes in a list and who knows what happens and maybe sometimes it but is there are there are there are there avenues to to ensure that we're doing more than just passing a motion? Advocating is actually doing it constantly and and is there maybe a a different check-in point that we might be able to to relate to? >> Uh so through you, Mr. Mayor, we can certainly look at a different or a different schedule for a check-in point. I will say the increase um has come from uh teasing out in more detail specific issues. So previously there may have been a large request a number of different transportation projects for example that we've now separated out into their own priority. Uh so that's part of the reason why there's been an increase. Um, but we can certainly uh take that suggestion back to consider a different uh report back schedule to council. >> Perfect. Thank you very much. And your worship, I'd be happy to move the uh the item. >> Councelor, thank you very much. Can I get a second for that? Uh, councelor Hletil. Thank you. Uh, councelor Shia, did you have a question? >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have one question for the percentage of urban forest canobies. So 2025 to compare with the last year is almost 1% drop. Uh it's not big but uh I just want to know the reason because we we will plant those trees every year we do a more and more planting trees. Is that what's the reason on that and is that the report said is software measurement different or what is that? >> Thank you. through you, Mayor Burton. The the drop in the canopy is really about the refinement and the greater scientific approach we've taken to um gauging the the town's tree canopy. In the past, we have really relied on Google Earth, which is free and we've used it for the last uh two IT tree studies. What we were finding was that Google Earth is is really leaf on, leaf off. They often uh cross match years together. If you look at Street View as Google, you'll often see some years they do streets, some years they skip two years, some years they do it every year. So we were finding that the amount of of um reliability in the Google Earth view where we're getting was was poor. So we went through uh and did a different technology called remote sensing through LAR which is incredibly more precise and more scientific. So I think when you see a a bump in the in the canopy cover as a small downward trend we'd overestimated but overestimated it before using Google Earth. Now we have it down as what I would say is to a science and the number you see now in that report is the number which we expect to go up as you indicated through the tree planting programs that we entertain every year. >> Okay. Thank you Chris. Thank you very much. >> Okay. Thank you everybody. I'll put the vote. Any objection? There being none, Mr. Clerk, that carries as well. Now, let me just page ahead to the end of section nine. All right. Our first discussion item is uh 11.1, the climate action update. We have a staff presentation, Alicia Hall. And uh here she comes and uh she's the corporate strategy program adviser for corporate strategy and government relations. Miss Hall, we look forward to your presentation. >> Okay. Thank you. Um good evening council. Tonight staff are providing an update on the town's climate action initiatives and how we are mitigating and adapting to the impacts of climate change. Oh, today staff are seeking council's approval uh to receive the climate action update report, approve the recommendation to dis discontinue further expansion of the town's municipallyowned public EV charging network, and lastly, approve the carbon offset policy. At the town, climate action is delivered through an embedded model that integrates climate considerations into planning, decision- making, and service delivery across the organization. Staff from all departments work collaboratively to advance climate goals within their areas of responsibility and supported by the climate action team and guided by a cross functional climate change advisory committee. This coordinated approach helps ensure climate action is embedded in everyday operations aligned with corporate priorities and advanced through shared ownership and collective leadership. Hang on. I think I skipped a slide. I apologize. I'll just step back to uh review the slide that I missed. Sorry. So, today staff are seeking council's approval to receive the climate action update report. I think I read this to you already. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Usually someone else is doing this for me. Okay, I'll jump ahead to this. The report is organized according to the action plan deliverables uh identified in the council strategic plan. Tonight's presentation will spotlight work completed or underway by the climate action team in the corporate strategy and government relations department as well as building services, Oakville fire and facility services. Over the past year, the corporate strategy and government relations department made significant progress on several key climate initiatives. Highlights include strengthening the town's climate reporting through the transition to the CDP platform, reviewing the town's direction for the EV charging network, completing the carbon offset policy, and monitoring the federal and provincial developments that may affect the town's climate objectives. Over the past year, staff provided 17 submissions to the Environmental Registry of Ontario to support the town's environmental and climate priorities. Residents are actively using the town's environmental web pages with more than 3,500 views uh page views recording during this reporting period. Our social engagement remains stable and in person community events continue to be well attended, drawing hundreds of residents to learn about and contribute to the town's climate and environmental initiatives. I will now ask uh Ralph Kaminsky to come up and just talk about the climate action that's progressed within the building services department. And here he is. Thank you, Alicia. Thank you, council. Building department continues to be an important partner in advancing climate action by helping residents access information and support they need to improve the performance. Oh, thank you. The performance of their homes and their presentations. Uh we look at balancing enforcement with encouraging building beyond the code. As you know, in the building department, we're we're forced to adhere only to the regulations outlined in the building code, but council has requested us to do what we can to assist in encouraging the use of energy efficient products. So, we do so by education and supporting and providing tools and resources to do that effectively. An initiative currently underway is the development of Oakleaf. Oakleaf is an AI energy coach similar to co-pilot and chat GBT, but the data is controlled so our chatbot does not hallucinate. The pilot has passed critical technological and content review steps is now being casually demonstrated at public openhouse events such as the one we're hosting here Thursday at town hall between 1 and or 4 and 6 uh to help determine the best use of energy efficient products. The goal is to improve residents with user-friendly tool that can help answer questions about home improvement and direct them to relevant programs and resources. We thought this was needed as there there are lots of options available through social media encouraging residents to do upgrades. We found this would be a useful tool that residents could use as a trusted tool to test the information that they're finding online. Building is also exploring options to work with the center of community energy transformation or CCT to offer a human energy coach service. This program would provide homeowners a personalized guidance on energy efficient updates, helping them better understand the options available to reduce energy costs, energy use rather, lower costs and improve home comfort. Should this pilot be successful, we would look to bring that permanently and included in the scope of the services provided by the building department. Staff continue to engage directly with residents through outreach and education. This includes the previously mentioned openhouse information session where homeowners can connect with the building services staff, learn about renovation and retrofit requirements, and gain a better understanding of how building improvements can support both sustainability and climate goals. Together, these initiatives demonstrate how building department and climate action team are working collaborative to remove barriers, to support practical improvements, and empower residents to take climate action at home. I'll now turn it over to Paul Marie Janetta to discuss climate action with fire protection services and advance the slide on your behalf. >> Oakville Fire continues to be a key partner in advancing the town's climate action efforts, particularly when it comes to climate adaptation and community resilience. As we experience more extreme weather events, emergency preparedness becomes increasingly important and Oakville Fire plays a critical role in helping our community prepare for and respond to those risks. This year, Oakville Fire launched their inaugural emergency management microconference, bringing together partners from across the region to share knowledge, strengthening relationships, and build capacity to respond to climate related emergencies. The team also supported community events such as Stronger Together and Community Safety and Connections Day, providing residents with practical information on emergency preparedness and resilience. This work brings together town departments and community partners around a shared commitment to climate action. Oakville Fire collaborates with a broad range of partners including Conservation Halton, Halton Region, Ministry of Emergency Preparedness and Response, Indigenous Communities, local municipalities, emergency services, utilities, and community organizations. These partnerships are helping strengthen our collective ability to prepare for, respond to, and recover from climate related impacts. In addition to public education and advocacy, the Oakville Fire Emergency Management Unit develops and facilitates training and exercises for the town's municipal emergency control group. We focus on climate driven emergencies such as flooding and severe storms. Together, these efforts demonstrate how climate action extends beyond emissions reduction and includes building a safer, a more resilient community that is prepared for the challenges of a changing climate. I would like to pass it over to Assad Hussein to share updates from the facility services department. Thank you Paula Marie. Uh good evening mayor and members of council. I'm happy to share a quick update on the geothermal energy project at 16 mile complex. During the previous expansion of the facility, 223 geothermal wells were installed under the southeast parking area as shown in that first image. Each well extends about 630 ft below ground. They were put in place to provide low emission heating and cooling for the new addition. We are now moving on to the next phase of the project. This phase will connect those existing geothermal wells to the original arena portion of the facility so that the complex can benefit from a more energyefficient heating and cooling system. This is an important step as it will help to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and support cleaner energy use across the complex. In terms of timing, the design work is expected to continue this fall with tender and installation planned for 2027 with the anticipation that the system will be up and running in 2028. Once it's complete, the system will provide highly efficient electric heating and cooling for most of the facility. It will also help to reduce natural gas use and greenhouse gas emissions that come with it. This work will also prepare the facility for the future replacement of the building's original HVAC equipment, which will reach its end of useful life around 2030. This work will make a meaningful difference in reducing the facility's reliance on natural gas and supporting our energy efficiency and sustainability goals. Overall, this is a strong example of how we can make our facilities more efficient, lower emissions, and to continue to build more sustainable community spaces. I'll now pass it back over to Alicia. So, looking ahead, staff will continue advancing practical climate action across the corporation and community. Key priorities include developing the climate action roadmap, supporting residents and condominium communities through education and retrofit initiatives, exploring renewable energy opportunities through the solar accelerator program, and advancing the 16-mi geothermal project. These initiatives reflect a continued focus on reducing emissions, improving energy efficiency, and supporting climate action in ways that are practical, collaborative, and financially responsible. Before concluding, I'd like to return to the decisions before council today. Staff are seeking approval of the carbon offset policy, which formulizes how the town approaches carbon credits, offsets, and carbon accounting. The policy prioritizes reducing emissions first and establishes clear governance and council oversight for carbon credit activities. Staff are seeking approval to maintain the town's existing public EV chargers, but are not but not expand the municipally owned network. Given the high cost of installation, operation, and maintenance, and along with the low usage rates, expanding the network is not financial viable. The town remains committed to climate action and will continue to support EV adoption by encouraging private sector investment in public charging infrastructure. That concludes our presentation and staff are available for questions if there are any. >> Thank you for a very good and comprehensive presentation. You have prompted at least uh well you may you may wind up with questions from everybody. We'll start with councelor Chisum. >> Uh thank you worship. Um a question for our director of parks and open space. Are you still there you are? Um this is for Chris a direction uh with respect to the concerns we have with the residents with um high volume uh leaf blowers and tractors and all this stuff. what is what is our uh plan with respect to decreasing all the gasdriven uh machinery into electric and what are the challenges we have which I think if we're having challenges with it we need to um advise the public uh what the what the uh issues are with relation to changing right over to electricity or or battery operated equipment through you may burden we definitely are transitioning more and more of our small handheld equipment to electric um uh backpack blowers that are used by our horiculture team, uh hedge trimmers, chainsaws, um some of our weed eaters, and we actually now have one electric uh riding war that we just brought in. And we're also um looking at robotic moors as well. So, we're definitely phasing towards, you know, uh non non- gasoline. But uh having said that um line trimmers are one of the most frequently used tools that we have in our grass cutting. Um the amount of batteries charge it takes to go for about 6 hours uh is phenomenal and we we would have to almost carry a trailer around of just batteries in order to keep them charged and keep the students working with them. So the technology is improving all the time. We're testing out a lot of them, but right now the line trimmers which we use are pretty much still gasoline driven. But as I said, technology is changing. We go to shows every year. We have people come in and demonstrate them to us. So we are definitely, you know, seizing opportunities where they exist. But at the end of the day, efficiency is important and we need to get the job done. So that's why we are still using them. >> Thank you, Chris. It just um I think it's important that we let the public know that you know we can't automatically just flip the switch and and change over. There is a gradual until technology comes in or better um um battery um equipment and so forth. It's just as long as we we have um a response to the complaints that we have about uh leaf blowers and you know the reality of it is we're moving in the right direction. I'm not sure about the private operators u uh landscape u u firms and so forth. So are we are we doing anything with the landscape uh companies and so forth to look at uh transitions? I think through our MES department, they have done quite a bit of outreach in particular towards the noise bylaw in in in speaking with landscapers and even holding I think uh forums and symposiums with them to chat about the noise bylaw and the use of that type of equipment um which is you know often used for pure cleanliness as opposed to efficiency in a lot of the cases. So to suffice to say that we're not really pressing um these private operators to to convert to to uh battery operated uh equipment. >> Do we have I guess the question do we have any position or any leverage on that? Uh thank you. Uh >> so uh through you mayor Burton um similar to our challenges in terms of switching over to entirely electric they have similar problems. So we're focused more on education at this point in time. the options that are available um what things they could move into uh rather than a requirement. Um so that's been the focus in the last couple of years actually uh on the private um landscapers. >> Would it ever get to a possibility that uh through transition that we would deny uh licenses uh to these or these firms if they didn't convert over say over a 10-year period or 5year period would we allow them back into Oakville? Uh I I think there are quite a few options for us to be able to regulate them in the future. The challenge is if you regulate them too soon when they yet don't have the technology to be able to deal with it, it's um it it's >> difficult for them. Um so we do need to track the technology, match that with the education and at some point in time it can it will be easier to transition into requirements. >> Thank you. Thank you councelor. Councelor Giddings. >> Thank you Mr. Mayor through you 10% usage on the EV charging. Uh the report talks about some of the other municipalities that h have higher levels 10% and we need 30% to cover our costs. How do some of the other municipalities uh earn those higher usage rates? >> So um here in Oakville our chargers Oh, sorry. Through you, Mr. Mayor. through our our chargers here. We have to they're people have to pay for to use them. So if comparing to other municipalities, they just have uh some of them charge they don't charge at all, which they have an higher uptake for that reason. Um and then there's other municipalities that have a denser kind of core that require that have the traffic or the people that need to use it. Um, from the initial review that we did here in Oakville, it's safe to say that the charges that we do have, they are over the last five years that that trend has stayed pretty regular at 10%. It hasn't really moved much. Um, but uh, it's it's just been the experience from other municipalities that they just have more people in the in their city, whether they're coming in and out of it to use them. >> I appreciate the clarification. And so the other municipalities are supporting or funding uh their users more than we are. >> Well, I I think it's more that um we I don't know. I I guess what I'm trying to say is that the other municipalities have the demand to continue to expand the network. So they are continuing to do that. And I think every local conditions it matters what those factors are to expand it. Here in Oakville, we don't. through this review, we've we've everything that we've looked at suggests that this isn't a cost-effective program for us to continue to to to finance. >> No, I understand the uh chargers downtown. Oh, sorry. Seo, >> I was just going to add uh through you, Mayor Burton, that uh I think all municipalities are talking about the value of actually the private the charges to provide them. Uh initially, in order to kickstart and the grants that were available, it seemed a good option for us to get into at that point in time. But there's a lot of private sector that is stepping into that space and so we felt it's time for us to step out. That same conversation is happening in every municipality in terms of the continued role on the the EV charger side. So just wanted to add to the disc. >> I appreciate that and I agree wholeheartedly. I'm sure some of it has to do with uh home uh car owners, electric car owners that are char find it more convenient to charge it at home. Um, so we've no magic bullet here to to keep it. What about the level one chargers downtown? Um, is that pose a is it worthwhile for them other than to get a preferred parking space by using the level one chargers? >> Three, Mr. Mayor, do you mean level one meaning 120 like just the outlet? I don't know that we you Oh, you mean Yeah, level two chargers. So, those are the more common ones to um put in just it's more cost- effective. They're easier to connect to the grid. Um and those are the ones you'll see commonly around town if we continue to expand. Those are would be the ideal ones and those are the ones that the municipalities are putting in if they continue to expand. >> Great. Thank you very much. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, Councelor Goodings. Councelor Longo. >> Thank you, worship. Uh thanks Alicia for the presentation. If you go back to page three of your presentation, this is to me pretty significant. Um, if you can pull it up, if not, I can reference it. It's basically the picture with with all of the departments working on climate action. To me, that that says a lot. And I think I want to thank uh staff for for being involved in all these initiatives. And the one that I found of keen interest was the geothermal work being done at 60 Mile, that retrofit. I'm assuming the OEC folks in the the uh the audience are helping advise on that. But this shows the breadth of the commitment to the the town has to climate action and I want to thank everyone for that because it says a lot. It's not just one department. It's it's across all all different departments. So, uh kudos to everyone. Thank you. >> Thank you, councelor. Counselor How's it deal? >> Thank you through you, Mayor Burton. Um so, a couple comments. The first is thank you to billing services for Oakleaf and for continuing to help educate and uh expand people's uh sense of choice about uh what they do. Um I just wanted to touch on EV charging because uh I understand that we got grants and I remember vividly conversations with uh requests that were coming from uh residents that would choose to charge downtown. But the level of charger um uh is not very good. Um I mean they basically take up the parking spot um and it gives them the privilege of parking there. Um but it really doesn't it isn't an effective charger. Uh and the request was on multiple occasions that we uh support a private public partnership um uh to put better faster chargers in place, which by the way would turn over the parking spot um uh much more quickly and we do need those parking spots. So, um, I'm curious, are we opening the door to a true private public partnership, which in most instances mean allowing them to put Porsche or Tesla or uh, any one of those car companies that are interested in putting uh, investing in these EV chargers? Are we opening the door to that now? >> Through you, Mr. Mayor? Yes. I over the last several years um public charging and EV chargers throughout Oakville have been provided by FLO Tesla uh and even Juel and some of those being level three. About 3 to four years ago there were only two level three chargers in Oakville. They're now 14. So they are coming up. They won't be in those prime areas, I guess, in Oakville. They may or may not be, but they're not usually. They're meant for usually the corridor highway stops because people tend to plug in. They charge up really quickly and they keep moving. um the behavior patterns of most people who are driving electric vehicles is is more comparable to a level two charger, which is why you see more of them. But um to your point on increasing level three, there has been a substantial growth in level three in Oakville. >> Okay. So that's great to hear. But your primary one of your primary commercial districts does not have the the fast chargers. And I would put to you that it would be a significant benefit to the commercial district downtown to engage with a private partnership. Um uh and I'd be really excited to see that happen. Mayor Burton, on on the emotions that uh and the requests for approval, I'd like to table an amendment that would read that staff report back on private public partnerships to support maintaining and enhancing our EV charging network. >> Thank you. Um, the amendment, the motion to amend takes precedence. Oh, my microphone. It's funny. It turned on without touching and it turned off without touching. Perhaps it needs a charger. Um, uh, is there any objection to the amendment? There being no, uh, objection to the amendment, the the motions amended. Uh, we will continue our discussion. uh Miss Clark, >> uh through you, Mr. Mayor. did want to note uh so staff have already done a request for information from the private sector to see if there would be interest in um uh installing private chargers throughout the town and there is. Uh we've we received a number of responses back. uh whether or not they would be suitable for the downtown core as uh Alicia noted is very much dependent on travel behavior patterns uh and we call them strategic locations. So uh the plan is to go out uh with a request to see where those strategic locations are. We can certainly point to the downtown core as a potential. Uh but there are a number of organizations that are looking at those patterns and the distribution and where the highest need are and then that would dictate the best option where they're going to make the most money in terms of where those chargers go. >> So thank you for that clarification. What I would say to you is Porsche was desperately excited to do it almost four years ago. um and several others. And so it's great that you've taken that step. And um sometimes strategically they may say, "Oh, I want to be close to the highway," but the commercial district, it's a wonderful opportunity for it, and I think it's our job to sell them on it. >> Thank you, counselor. Um, I'm sure that staff will uh in response to the amendment present a report on the public part of the public private partnerships you're talking about uh their response for every location including downtown. Um, councelor null or to your turn. >> Thank you, worship. uh to continue the uh theme of EV discussion this evening. Um I am a EV operator and have been for a while and I will uh I support the um recommendation to discontinue further expansion of the program. Um subject to the suggestion that uh councelor Hazel moved and and I seconded to look at level three. The bottom line is uh if you drive an EV, you don't want to use level two at this point. It's old technology. Um and particularly the partner that we have and I don't want to diminish uh our partnership with that company. It's very expensive to charge at that level two rate and it takes a long time. It blocks if you if you want a significant charge, you have to leave your car there for a long time and that's not conducive to downtown parking either. So I fully support the notion that uh we need to get in with I would imagine I would love to see statistics on this. I imagine that Oakville is one of the highest adoption rate of EVs anywhere in Canada would be my guess based on the number that I see around. Um and I think that uh looking for opportunities to provide level three charging in the core would make a ton of sense. However, having said that, I think that there'll be restrictions on Lakeshore because they require a lot of extra equipment. They require transformers in addition to just simply a power line. So, I think there might maybe in the parking lots and the garages may be applicable, but I look forward to seeing that report. And I wonder if uh there's this company in town called Oakville Enterprises that uh perhaps they could be approached about this as a potential investment. Just it's just just a thought. Thank you, Councelor Noble. Councelor Omira, >> just a question on it. I mean, does this um does this go into our public private um policy about about how we partner with municipal lands? I mean, does there need there need to be a a reook at at partnerships because we've been approached, I don't know, for years about EV companies who say, "We'll build the entire infrastructure for free and put it around the town if we can partner with the town." and the town has said, "No, we we don't put public private stuff on public lots like that." Like, what what's the what is the the procedure bylaw or the the bylaws we have against private um operators on public land? >> Madam CEO, I think I'd like uh to call on you for that. Uh so I councelor Amir I um if we find an arrangement with the private sector we're able to move into that. We'd be reporting back to council with any kind of an agreement we have relative to that at that point in time. So it doesn't preclude us from exploring it. Doesn't preclude us from bringing something in front of you that would uh create an agreement. When we have one we could easily bring it forward. Um there's nothing else that would preclude us from doing that. Okay. So then, so I know we've had these conversations in the years previous. I'm just wondering what's precluded us from looking at this option in the first place. Why why now? I I know at least three or four years ago, a number of us had meetings with a company who's like, "Hey, we're we're here if you want to to take it." But the town doesn't seem interested. So I mean what is something changed or is it just that we've decided we can't do it ourselves so we have to look for the private sector or what is >> I'm not aware of those previous discussions or arrangements there must have been something in there that wasn't um uh that wasn't a good arrangement for the town that we would have worked through um but um with and I would say anytime we're open to those agreements to look at because we'd explore public partnerships at any case at the end of the day it is a council decision whether you want to entered into them. So you get um you have the approval at the end of the day. Um we do though look at them in terms of the benefits and the risk to the town and would have provided advice on that to the person who would have approached us and they may have left on that basis that it wasn't a good arrangement with them either. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you councelor Councelor Chisum. >> Thank you worship. Um just an unpassing history, we have been involved in a public private relationships. I can recall at one time we had a management uh running one of our arenas at one time. So we do have those relationships. Um we also have Deerfield Golf Courses which is on town property and there it's a private operation. So those those are specific ones and I would fully fully u uh recommend coming back with with a specific on that. uh with all due respect to somebody coming in, it's usually the the businesses are a little ahead of us and in a lot of these uh initiatives and and I I applaud the town and to staff to pull back on these things because we don't have enough information in order to to accommodate something that uh that magnitude and I think it's it's important that we we need to know everything every corner and every uh shoot where we're getting into these um arrangements ments, contractual agreements and so forth. But um I hope that something comes forward because I think it's a great initiative by doing this. Thank you. >> Thank you, counselor. Counselor null again. >> Thank you. I just wanted to clarify um the the level two chargers that we currently have in town, are they not subject to a public private partnership now with charge point or do we own the infrastructure? >> Uh through you, Mr. Mayor. We have several of those chargers are on contract with charge point. >> So there's already a precedent for this. So there's there would be no issue potentially for switching it up with another or an additional prov actually maybe charge point as well but so that would not be an issue necessarily. >> No. >> Okay. Terrific. Thank you and thank you and back to councelor again. >> All right. Well, thank you very much then. Could I look for a mover in seconder? Councelor Longo and Councelor Elgar. Thank you. Any objection? There being none, that's adopted. Now we bring that brings us to Oakville Enterprises Corporation's quarterly update. Um we uh we have a presentation from Rob Listister, the president and CEO. Welcome. You got talked about a lot there and now it's uh your turn to talk. >> Thank you very much. Good evening, Mayor Burton. Councilors, it's great to be here. I'm very pleased to be able to provide the OEC quarterly update this evening. With me this evening, we have some board members. We have Ian Cochwell, Papasha Chu, Jane Allen, Charles Kaza, and Patrick Crowley. And of course, CEO Jane Cloisey and Mayor Burton are also on the board. I often forget to mention them. Um, today with uh me, I have a number of my colleagues. I have Andrew Elzanar, Sean Mcccoan, Jeff Mocha, Scott Moody, Laura Wilson, Bethy St. Pierre, Suzanne Hillier, Gemini Winfield, and Annie Petran, and Mary Caputi, executive vice president enterprise services and uh chief of staff will be providing the presentation today. Pictured on this slide is the East Strathmore Solar Farm in Alberta, just west of or just east of Calgary. It's a 25 megawatt solar generation facility acquire acquired in 2025 and it expands our renewable portfolio into Western Canada. This evening we'll provide a brief update on key energy sector developments, Oakville hydro operations and safety performance, Oakville's electricity grid investments, key projects underway, and we'll close with our community impact initiatives. So, at this point, I'd ask Mary to come up and provide the presentation. Thank you. >> Thank you, Rob. Good evening, Mayor Burton and counselors. I'm pleased to be here this evening. The energy sector continues to evolve. On the left, we have a leadership change at the provincial grid operator. Effect of August 1st, Jason Fitz Simmons became the president and CEO of the independent electricity system operator. Jason was a former deputy minister of finance. On the right hand, we have highlighted the province's electricity demand side management program, which is designed to provide ongoing opportunities for consumers and businesses to manage their electricity use while responding to the province's evolving electricity system needs. At OEC, we have a change in the board of directors. We are pleased to welcome Lazlo Vashani, a senior vice president of commercial and regulatory services at Enbridge. He will be Embridge's appointee to the OEC board. Safety remains our top priority. Oakville Hydro ensures it the community is aware of electricity safety elements. Through a recent survey, 86% of respondents were aware of the key electrical safety practices, including maintaining a distance of 33 feet or the length of a school bus from downed power lines. On the right hand side, we are proud to highlight Julius Chambers, a field employee recognized by the town of Oakville with a community spirit award for assisting a community member in distress. The summer storm season highlighted the importance of preparedness, system resilience, and rapid emergency response. Oakville Hydro maintained strong reliability performance throughout the summer. Pictured on the left is the impact of the overhead poles on the July 9th storm. Crews responded quickly to restored service and repair the damaged infrastructure. Ongoing investments in system monitoring, vegetation management, storm preparedness, and grid modernization continue to strengthen the resiliency and the reliability of the electricity system. As a result, Oakville Hydro experienced only minor impacts on the September 2nd wind and rainstorm. In addition to weather related events causing power outages, this photo shows the damage to the utility tool utility pool from a vehicle collision on Cornwall Road. Oka Hydros responded quickly, secured the area, and repaired the damage and restored power as efficiently as safely as possible. This diagram highlights the investments made in 2026 across the community. On the top left in Ward 1, Metroinks and Hydro1 collaborated in relocating distribution infrastructure along Burllo Drive to support the future GO Transit rail electrification. This project will continue into two 2027. On the bottom left, also in Ward 1, the Rebecca Street pole line rebuild, an underground feeder replacement near Bronty Road. On the top left, approximately one kilometer of overhead pole distribution line was relocated as part of the Halton region's trfalgar road widening project. And on the bottom right, the completion of the Lichfield Road underground rebuild, which replaced aging cable and transformers to support future reliability. As EV adoption continues, Oakville Hydro is participating in an Ontariowwide PR pilot project to better understand how coordinated charging can help manage electricity demand and reduce the pressure on the electricity grid. The project allows participating EV owners to connect their vehicles through the Blue Wave AI platform, helping utilities gather insights that will support the future GLERD planning and reliability. Rob highlighted earlier the renewable energy project generation asset in Alberta. This site has a sustainable practice of sheep grazing to control vegetation management around the pan the solar panels which were reducing maintenance requirements while supporting the long-term operation of the facility. It's an it's a simple but effective example of innovative solutions. We're also growing in Western Canada, specifically supporting a utility with a major gas metering modernization program on Vancouver Island, replacing approximately 100,000 gas meters with advanced meters. The work is being delivered through a partnership with the Couchin Tribes. And this project highlights the value of indigenous partnerships and the ability to deliver diversified offerings. We continue to build a strong relationship and support communities where we operate. On the left is our participation in the First Nations Projects Conference. In the middle, employees engage with residents at many community events such as the Glennori Community Festival, the Northeast Oak Fair, Oakville Fair, the Bronty Canada Day Celebration, Oak Park Fall Fair, Oakville Family Ribfest, Curve Fest, and the Asia Asian Heritage Festival. And at the very right, we have an engagement with the Outland Youth Employment Program in Western Canada. Before I conclude, the image shown here is from the Clapsson's Corners between Highway 5 and six interchange project in Waterown, Ontario, where we are providing underground construction services to the local utility on behalf of the Ministry of Transportation. Thank you for your time this evening, and I would be pleased to answer any questions. >> Thank you very much. And uh I enjoyed seeing uh our support for sweater knitting as I refer to the lambs. Councelor null. >> Thank you. And my colleague to my left from uh originally from New Zealand said that looks a lot like New Zealand. Um a couple things. First of all, thank you for support of local organizations. I know you mentioned a number of them. Thank you for supporting the Oak Park Fall Fair, the North Oville Fair, etc. Those are really important contributions to our community that exceed your excellent work around delivering electrical supply. Um it's much appreciated and thank you for your report today. So I have one question that came up during your presentation. You were talking about early construction for the Bront for the uh GO train electrification program. Um it just it just dawned on me now. How does that impact our grid in terms of the capacity system capacity? I imagine that's a pretty that's a pretty extensive intensive use. Have we planned for that? Um and and where does that fit in terms of our total output capabilities? >> Um through you, Mr. Mayor. Um we have planned for it cuz earlier in 2025 we did some upgrades to ensure um we had the grid um capabilities with that extension going on. >> Do you know what the megawatt um u capacity impact that's going to have on the system? We're all about megawatts now these days because the data center. So >> for you Mr. Mayor I don't know off the top maybe one of my colleagues may may know. >> Mr. Okay, >> three of smear and thanks for the question. So there are some minor load enhancements in our area but the larger loads are serviced by hydro1. >> Okay. >> For the bigger power distribution for the whole line. >> So the so in other words they're they're pro providing the the predominant uh volume of electrical supply and we're only providing some internally within the community. Is that the idea? >> Correct. >> Okay. Sort of like Ford's buying hydro directly from hydro. Okay. >> That's right. Um the um and the one of the questions that I had and I asked this by email to uh uh Mr. Listister a while ago and I'm going to ask it publicly because I think it's interesting to put on the record. We've had a lot of conversations about u data centers lately and we know that this data center that's theoretically coming to Oakville at some point although there's no application is talked about as a 320 megawatt data center. Um when I asked the question of Mr. Listister, he suggested that Oakville has approximately 100 megawatt capacity, excess capacity right now, which is really it's really being allocated for for growth and for our own needs in the community. Can you comment on that at all in terms of of your thoughts in that area today? I know there probably a lot more to come as the uh the work is being done by the town staff, but I'd just like to get some preliminary information if I can. >> Yeah. Yes, we we do have the capacity, the 100 megawatt as uh Mr. Listister provided you. Um however we're we're always monitoring what our system load is um and our our load forecast. It's it's critical and as a regulated uh entity we have to um provide those measures also to the Ontario Energy Board. Um so we did we do a lot of load forecasting over the next 1015 years based on um changing uh variables um and things that happen um to in order to to ensure that we have enough capacity. and we also work closely with the town when um these kinds of requests come on as well. >> So I'm I I don't mean to ask you another engineering question, but um thinking about 320 megawws, just using that number as an example, what would that look like in terms of uh uh operationalizing that if if we were to ever provide that, not not saying we would, but if that were to be the case at some point down the road, how would we actually achieve that? >> Like what would the what would the investment required be? What would that look like from a physical perspective, a time perspective? So we would probably um if we needed to build something we would build another uh transformer station. Um we did build the Glenori transformer station in 2014 2015 time frame so that we were um we had enough capacity for the growth of Oakville at that time. So we would be planning for something like that which could take between five and seven years. My engineering folks um support me on that uh in order to build that to create that capacity. And what's the throwut of the Glenarchi station? Do you know off the top of your head? >> 150 150 >> 150. So you'd require something more than twice the size of Glenor in order to service that data center. Just wow. Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks for your report and as always, thanks for the great job that you folks all do. Councelor, I'm councel. I'm I'm worried that this line of questioning will uh lead members of the public to believe that the data center that caused the sensation here had any intention of wanting to hook up to our system. They don't. In all of their presentations, they emphasized that like Ford, they would be getting their power direct from Ontario. And in fact, they chose that location because it's next to a a dedicated hydro corridor uh which would need to be built in order to service them. And they identified the source of their power as a very large transformer station uh well north of uh way north of the 401. So um the I don't want people to watching to get the impression that there was any threat to our uh grid system. In fact, uh maybe I'd uh could ask Mr. Listister to come back uh for a second. Um and maybe you could speak for a minute about uh whether we would be required I mean how could we be required to serve them when we don't have the capacity in the first place? >> Well, we do have a requirement to serve u on something like that. the cost of that is is born on the uh the customer looking for the load. Um we also um for an amount that much too we we did last time we're in front of council we did present some of the options we have for increasing our capacity incrementally before we would have to get to a large station. So sure that's a large load but that could come from a number of different uh sources over time. Uh however that that's um yes we we could do it like theoretically u and uh we would have to just have the time in order to to build it and the the funds would flow from the customer looking for the capacity. >> And how long did it take us to build the Glenori station? >> Probably about five years I think from time conception to energization. >> Okay. So no wonder they made arrangements directly with the province. >> It might take them that long too but yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Um then next is councelor Romera. >> Uh thank you very much. Thanks for coming. It's always great to see you guys. Um I noticed in a few pictures of the solar uh farms that you've got, they're over farmland. And is that a conscious thing? I I know a lot of Europeans and and in France they're doing over parking lots. They're not taking up valuable uh agriculture land to for solar farms. Is that something that that OEC is conscious of or or deliberate of or are we just acquiring places that are already there or what what is there a consciousness about taking up prime agriculture realy for solar panels? >> So with through you Mr. mayor. Um the the one highlighted there in Alberta was an acquisition. So it was already so we didn't um build that. So we acquired it um from another owner. Um and um although we do have solar farms on farmland, we also have um solar panels throughout uh the community here on um se several arenas that we've um invested in many years ago um as part of the fit program. So would that be something maybe that OEC would would see as a sort of a value driver of to to make sure we protect the environment and and and not install on new farmland or is that something that we're just in acquiring mode? We're not in building mode >> currently right now we're not in the building mode. >> Okay. If I may through you Mr. Mayor, the uh the solar farm that we built in Pikton, Ontario was built on um farmland that was uh the actual farm owner was one that had the the contract, but it was poor producing farmland, very rocky. And I remember in the contract if it didn't go through, we had to we had to pay based on bushels of corn that could be produced on that land if we held up a year's crop and and the numbers were were poor in with respect to what a an acre of land should produce. So, >> yeah. No, I I just I'm I'm I I know what they're doing in Europe and they're covering parking lots cuz they they also detract from heat islands and they help ozone. There's a lot of of benefits in there and I just don't know whether we're there yet in Canada or North America or not. But that's that's fine. I'll I'll I'll leave that one there. Um and then just a question about the grid investment slide that you had and you had mentioned um uh the lower Brony Road pole replacement. Do you guys need to pull permits from the town in order to do that work? Good question. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's a yes. >> Okay. And and thank you. And and and I mentioned that um because there is a frustration going on um in particular in the Bronny area, we have multiple organizations and levels of government all doing construction and they are all not talking to each other. And we had roads under construction and construction sites under construction. And one day the Oakville hydro truck showed up and shut down Bronny Road down to one lane. And there was no notice given to the local counselors. There was no notice given to anyone that this was happening. Um no coordination with the region who was also doing work down the road and the the town. and and I'm just wondering if there might be a way that we could move forward ensuring that notice is given to um to to the local I I don't know if you did um if you did notifications to the residents at all. Not sure how that works, but I just think there seems to be a lack of coordination in terms of what is happening when and how it happens and and hence my question about a permit because then maybe town staff can know what permits are coming in and they can sort of do that on our behalf. But um I I I maybe I would hope moving forward that there can be some coordination just so that residents are aware so one day they don't wake up and they go, "Oh my god, now we're bottlenecked to a street and I did not know that was happening." Um, if we can maybe uh do that moving forward, that would be a great help to all counselors as they they navigate the angry emails and phone calls that come in when things show up on their on their doorstep at 8 a.m. Thank you very much. >> Uh, we'll go to councelor uh councelor node. Uh, a third time puts you behind counselor chism. >> Second time. >> Second time still puts you behind counselor Chisum. I'm going to call on councelor Chisum. >> Thank you, councelor no for relenting. Um qu quick quick quick question. Um I'm using the Spears Road um uh corridor and has been a lot of um timing to get this road done and it's been behind schedule uh based on reports way back when. Uh we moved we moved all the um utilities back. My question is the poles that we put in are wood. Are these temporary or are we going to concrete or whatever we use in the standard? I I was surprised to see wooden poles being put on on Spears Road. Is there a reason for that? >> We always use wood poles. >> Really? So what about all these maybe I'm seeing things but conte? >> No, >> there are some but and new new installations now is all through um cedar cedar poles with >> okay good yeah thank you >> councelor no thank you worship and I apologize for attempting to jump on council chism I didn't see his hand up so uh I didn't mean to try to do that um I just have a question it's actually probably maybe better to you your worship or staff I'm not sure do we have an application from the data center right now because you made the comment that they've made arrangements and I don't I just if we could be if you could clarify what you mean by they've made arrangements with Ontario Hydro at this point because that sounds like there's an application. We have received no application. In all of their presentations, they said they had their power arranged with Ontario. The minister has confirmed that that's how they made their arrangement. And uh so I I my intervention was purely for the purpose of trying to make sure nobody panicked over the discussion of you know an invasion of our capacity. >> I wasn't suggesting invasion but I do know there's a duty to provide. So that's why I was asking the question but I just wanted to clarify because that comment they've made arrangements and right now it's a theoretical application. So I just wanted to understand that we're not currently facing the application today. >> We have no application from them. Thank you, sir. Councelor, how's the deal? >> I think mine's a much easier question. Um, so some folks will know that I'm kind of think communication is a huge opportunity at times. Um, we've had a couple incidents where you've responded very quickly. How are you measuring the effectiveness of the changes you've made in your communication with residents and businesses about outages and uh and then the restoring of power? >> Okay. So, we've through you, Mr. Mayor, we have done um several enhancements through texting um the outages.ca CA uh which is I think one of our um most trafficked um websites when when there is an outage and there's also notes there um and we we we use our you know social media platforms like um X and and to to best communicate to our customers. So I think we have we've made improvements over time the best we can. Um but I know people you know obviously when there's an outage you know they're not very happy of it. Um but we are trying to increase the amount of the communication time frame so that people have a better idea of when their their power is going to be on. When we know better a better time frame we will update it um more often so people can plan accordingly. >> Okay. Thanks very much. >> Thank you counselor. Uh, do we have a mover and seconder for the motion as amended? Uh, councelor Giddings and councelor Bay, let's get you in the minutes. Councelor Bay. Uh, sorry. Uh, I think I'm carrying over something from the previous one and just as it is and it's carried. Thank you everybody. Uh that brings us to 11.3 the update uh my report on the uh update of uh on the minister's zoning orders discussions and uh that's a public report and uh I I I'll just add to it that uh on uh January 27th of 2025 um council unanimously adopted a u analysis of the we endorsed and aligned with the analysis of the initial TOC proposal um that was done by Oakville's professional planning staff and uh and therefore we rejected that proposal. Uh then uh council and I unanimously uh resolved to strongly advocate to district in the province that the TOC respect and align with the Midtown OPA upon approval to support a unified planning approach. And uh council also reaffirmed its commitment to the OPA for Midtown to achieve a livable, sustainable, complete community while fulfilling provincial growth targets. We all voted to approve OPA7 on February 18th, 2025. I stated then this is not the end of our work together. This is only the beginning of the rest of our work to create the most livable, vibrant, and inclusive new community in a protected major transit station area anywhere in Canada. Let no one doubt Oakville's ability for great and inspiring results. Oakville is a town people are proud to come home to. Together, we will keep increasing our pride in this town we all love. On April 27th, uh we voted unanimously to request that Transport Canada take the necessary actions to control building height structures and other land uses that could affect the safe operation of aircraft in Oakville. Uh the result of that is detailed in my report and the various uh uh pieces of correspondence. The minister's zoning order that was issued on uh April 9th, I believe it was, would have been the final step in the process. Due to the discussion and advocacy by myself on behalf of the town and uh Minister Steven Crawford, the province promised that day to work with the town to uh to work with the town quote on further refinements to the Oakville TOC that will result in building heights of 38 stories while maintaining the overall number of homes and community benefits. So, uh, the context for that, uh, is that, uh, this council also unanimously, uh, approved a 14 building, uh, uh, land development proposal at 420 South Service Road with a cap of 38 stories on those buildings. So, um, later this evening, we will have a notice of motion from councelor Hllett Theel and u, uh, where did that go? Oh, and councelor Dave Giddings. and uh and uh we will uh I expect I I will recommend that we wave the procedure bylaw in order to pass that uh and and what that notice will say is we'll uh call on on me to write to uh the GTA and uh and ask put them to the question that the minister said only they could do which is request a uh AZR an aeronautical zoning ing regulation to uh to enforce uh uh the NAV Canada V's um uh height restrictions. Um and with that, I I uh will turn to questions from council. Councelor Elgger, thank you through me Burton. Uh thanks very much for the report. I appreciate it a lot. I'm just trying to figure it out when I read it. The province has committed to 38 stories. They've documented it back on April the 9th. Um and then you read on and actually in the state of the town address you said the number of homes remain the same and yet the we're going to be reducing from 56 stories to a maximum of 38. And I'm just trying to figure out how that can work. What what's going to change if the if the density, the height, the number of units, if the height goes down? What's different? We're going to still have the same number of houses supposedly. So, like what what don't we understand? The only way that could happen would be to have a density transfer. And I said this in my speech. Um I wonder if I have it handy to quote to you. I should have brought my state of the town speech. Oh, here it is. It's in the public report. Um, so if you sir, if you go to pageu uh 24, the number of homes stays the same. The community benefits stay the same. Triple what comes the benefits are triple what comes without the province's transit oriented communities program. The idea in plain words it's in the middle of the page. Counselor, >> right? Yeah. >> Spread the homes over more land so no tower has to stand so tall. There is ample public land designated for residential growth to achieve this without giving up any of the parkland planned for in OPA70. So that's the answer. >> Do we know what how much park how much land not parkland then how much land we're have to give this to them or how does it work? Like it's it's it's good. It sounds good when I read it but how does that work? How how many acres are we talking about here? counselor, you know that answer and it's uh um confidential because of the origin of the number and I don't think I I think you're on uh I would advise you that this is is not an appropriate line of inquiry. >> Okay. But so everything but we do know that the number of units remain exactly the same. >> You do know that. >> Okay. Very good. and uh the and no parkland will be lost which is good. Now this the triple the triple the community benefits. Can can you go a little bit deeper into that? Triple the community benefits. It sounds really good. What what how does that how can I relate to that? >> There's a uh community benefit formula uh which is 4% of the land value at the time of construction. >> Right? >> And that comes without a TOC. That's normal. That's that's what we have now. Uh it's replacing a whole bunch of other charges that we used to be able to to get that were greater. The TOC brings an additional 10% of the value of the land. And 10 + 14 is more than triple what four is because four triples to 12. >> So that will help us get us back to what we used to have before the the province cut us off on DC's I >> a little bit. We have to be uh Yes, exactly. >> I guess we don't have numbers for that yet, but >> Well, sure. Good to know. >> Well, look, we do know that uh in in the hundreds of millions of dollars that we spend on infrastructure uh this year, $8 million was what we had to uh put in to the uh from the taxpayer. And uh you have that report. It's uh I think was just last week. So um and the year before it was six >> right now. We get a report from from CEO every every month also. >> Yeah. >> The numbers are a little different than that. How does that >> the report that I just saw from finance said uh I I believe said 8 million this year and six last year. are there's another uh number which is the cumulative over the time and that's not what I'm quoting. >> Okay. Okay. Now cumulative over the time. What is that? >> Uh I'd have to stop and look it up. I don't recall it. >> But I wonder >> we have a source over there. >> Yeah. That's what I'm think. >> I know it's your favorite spotlight. So let's let's throw the spotlight on that. Um Miss Ays, do you have that handy? council, you you doubtless have the number on you. Would you like to >> No, no, I'd rather hear it from staff in case I could be wrong. I get out of date on numbers. >> Thank you. And through you, Mayor Burton. Um, councelor Elgar, can you just say again exactly what number you're looking for? >> DC number somewhere in the 20 something. >> 22.3 million. >> That sounds like a number. Yeah. >> Okay. >> This is what nobody understands what's going on and we have no control over in Oakville or any other municipality. It is it is a hard lesson to learn that the Canadian Constitution says that the cities are the creatures of the province. And >> yeah, >> you know, uh do you remember how many cities there were in Ontario uh before the Mike Harris government decided that there should be 444? Was it like three times as many? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Probably could have been more. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we are you know the lawyers often call us the children of the province. >> Yeah. >> I'd say we're lower than that. But anyhow, >> all right. >> Any Mayor and I'm glad to see that I I see a a motion from count the two counselors here and I think it's a great motion they're putting forward to see to help to help us get through this mess we're in right now which we don't have any control of. So I'm welcome when that motion comes forward to have a recorded vote on that also. So I thank you. >> Thank you councelor. I agree it's a very good idea. Councelor Hlett deal. >> Mayor Burton. Well I have a series of questions. No surprise to people. Um uh I believe there's a delegation. Could we hear from them? >> Well councelor I was going to hear from the delegations after council was done. Don't hold back. >> Okay. Um uh my question is to staff. Um, could you tell us what percentage of land do you anticipate us needing to achieve the same density at the 420 South Service Road? So, I'm not speaking about height. I'm speaking about the density uh that uh is on the 420 South Service Road. How much land would be needed to address what Mayor Burton has suggested is a density transfer in hectors. >> Can you just elaborate on that question so I make sure I'm answering the right one? >> So, so the one of the suggest >> 420 is the GE site. Yeah, 420 is the GE site and the mayor has been quoting that we approved the GE site with a cap of 38, which is correct. Um, however, we didn't just approve 420 with a cap of 38. We approved a holistic plan that had a variety of heights and density. So what I want to understand from a comparison perspective um based on what he's he's written how much land would be needed to have 420s density equate to the TOC in other words how much land is the density transfer land have to be in order to be it to be equal to 420. >> So counselor I couldn't give you that answer right now. I'd have to look that up and we I think we'd have to Yeah, we don't have that information there here available at all. So, I'd have to report back. >> Counselor, as a point of order, where in my report do I say that the density would be the same as 420? Um well, Merurton, what you do say is that the and you phrased it at the public at the state of the town address that um that the province's perception is uh around that this 38 stories is important. What I want to understand is and what I think a lot of us understand is this isn't about 38 stories. And so if as you've said there's ample public land uh available to do as you're suggesting I'm just trying to understand what is the amount of ample land to get to 420s uh level of density >> councelor there's no way anybody could calculate that for you no one has suggested uh such a density level and uh do you have another Well, there is ways to calculate it. So, we'll just see how things go tonight. Um, I'd like to understand in OPA70. So, there's a statement been made about ample public land and that our parkland will not be affected. So, how much of the public land is the town's land? >> Councelor, you know the answer to that question and you know that it's under confidentiality. Why would you uh why are you attempting to break confidentiality, >> Mayor Burton? It is not breaking confidentiality. What the the the amount of town land when you reference public land and you reference ample public land, the public needs to know what is townland versus public land. >> Counselor, you know the answer and you know that it's Not I do not see that in the the confidential report sir. I have not violated uh the uh the confidentiality. I'm asking for a report that it is in the public round somewhere that says how much of the 65 developable hectares in OPA70 is town land. counselor. Um, I can't answer that here. Mayor Burton, I am not it is not subject to a non-disclosure agreement or a confidentiality agreement for the planning staff to be able to report to this council how much of the 65 hectares that are developable in that land are owned by the town. I am not asking them to tell us anything other than what they would know. And if >> yeah, I am not violating uh confidentiality. Mayor >> Councelor rephrased that way. I see no problem with that. >> So if I could just of the the 65 he hectares you're referring to all of Midtown 65 being the amount of hectares that can be developed. >> Correct. >> So of that 65 hectares um how much uh public town public land is within that? Again I don't have the number but we understand the question and we can provide that number. >> Okay. And could you just clarify for us that in OPA70, do we have an assurance of all those parcels that were conceptually in OPA70 are in fact park land that will be developed? So as an example, I'll ask the straightforward question. there is park on the uh the density charts that are in OPA70 that reflect different spots that there could be a park. Uh so OPA and I I actually would ask if Gabe Charles is on the line or actually here >> if you could clarify. I believe that in OPA7 and I'll start while Gabe moves his way to the mic. uh that in OPA70 that we did identify the parkland that we required identified that as being the most appropriately case but I believe the policies allow for some uh alteration to those locations. Um so if your question was can we guarantee those exact spots I don't believe we can and in fact OPA70 left some flexibility Gabe >> I concur. So my further question then is um because that that is conceptual in nature, what assurance do we have or what authority do we have to ensure that parkland is delivered >> through your mayor Burton? The work that we did through OPA70 and as we work through now with the implementation pieces is it provides a little bit more clarity in terms of the public lands and how those public lands could be used. So yes, OPA70 does identify lands that are available or preferred we'll say for parks or open space but through the development process that is how the municipality would secure it or the municipality would have to acquire it through through other means. We are not yet at the stage where we have zoned those lands which provides a little bit more guarantee we'll say for how those lands could or could not be developed. So there's there's multiple options that the municipality has. the shest ways that they're zoned, which they're not yet, or for the municipality to acquire them. >> So, in acquiring them, so we would be using our parkland reserve to acquire them or we they would be giving us they wouldn't be giving us cash unth obtain >> through your mayor Burton. Yes, both both ways are an option either acquisition, through purchase, through dedication, through conveyance. So, if we were if a a parcel of land became available next week because somebody's decided that perhaps it's not a wise decision to develop in a part of of Midtown. Uh what would be the process for us to acquire that land? to your mayor Burton. It would be the exact same process that we have used with this council previously where if there are properties identified, if there is a business case to be made, then we would present that to council for possible acquisition. >> And is our own town land a possibility to be parkland? >> Uh through Mayor Burton, there's a number of parcels that the town has already there are lands which are already being used for parkland. For example, the Cornwall Park. Uh there are lands elsewhere within Midtown, for example, on the east side of Trfoger near the um South Service and Chartwell area that the town has acquired. Part of that could become Parkland in the fullness of time as well. >> So that's on the east side, correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. Um and would you be so kind as to remind us what is the density on South Service Road? South 420 South Service >> uh through your mayor Burton you're testing my memory counselor I want to say it was there was split I think between four and five FSI >> okay and um uh I think I'll leave it there and reserve coming back. Thank you. >> Thank you counselor. Um, well, if there's no more questions, we'll call the delegation. Mr. Clerk, would you call the delegation? >> James Goodfellow. >> Welcome, Mr. Goodfellow. We look forward to your information to see you all. I understand it's busy time for some of you. Um so tonight um uh tonight uh I'd like to uh take this opportunity to uh provide input on the issue here and also to say thank you for putting this on the public record. This is incredibly as you know this has been an incredibly frustrating process all through up until the M zto's. Um, it's been like um bowling with you and a you know a bowling alley except that there's a curtain between you and the pins. We throw the ball down, nothing happens. And then sometimes we throw all down and we think it looks really good and somebody says, "Well, you didn't knock anything down." Yeah. So, um, and then along comes the M Zo's and then we have a new process. people are negotiating all there's still very little in the way of u ability for the residents ability to communicate to you uh our agents and on how you're how to deal with so that's what I'm going to do tonight is try and give you a perspective from us as to the issues that are impacted by this uh uh pres and I thank you for making this uh public and giving us the opportunity to do this okay That's so here's what we're going to cover. Um hopefully in my 10 minutes and I hope we live up to it this time. Um how do we hold the province to account to its commitment? You referred the commitment uh previous this dual commitment requires the TOC to add more land. So councelor regular we're going to get to that. Um the density challenge or density transfer. Where would this additional land come from? concerns about transferring of town land and some concluding thoughts. Okay, let's go to the next slide. So, this is the quote. This is the quote, Mayor Burton, that you put up and I think this is the key thing and and and let's just stand back. On a April the 9th, the province issues a news release. Now, I don't know a lot about government news releases, but I know a lot about public company news releases and news releases and public companies, a lot of eyes go on that release. So, I can only think that in the province with a topic of this sensitivity that there was a lot of uh scrutiny on these words and they were carefully selected. So, what do they say? They say in response to feedback received from the town and the community, Ontario is working with the municipality and the impact of partners to do it further that will result in building heights of 38 stories and while maintaining the overall number and sorry while maintaining the overall number of homes. So it's a dual commitment or a dual province. is not wishy-washy wording, you know, and the re there's no indication uh, you know, and the rationale for the 38 stories. So, when I read that, I said, where did this 38 story number come from? Well, the rationale is it's in response to feedback from the town and the community. Okay. So, uh, one of the concerns I have as I look at the material here and all the negotiation you're doing around if you get too really refined on, you know, do we have legally binding requirements for the 38 stories and then you don't have it, are we actually building an off-ramp that will allow them get out of this commitment? There's their commitment. There's their commitment. Their commitment is 38 stories. hold them to it. You know, is 38 stories the right number? I don't know, but it's better than whatever the other number is. So, so to my mind is don't build them an off-ramp. Don't give them an out. Hold them to the commitment. This is what they said. They put it public. Uh, and their rationale is feedback from the town and the community. Hold them to it. Okay. Let's now now the key part here is they made a dual commitment. They made a dual commitment. They said they were going to commit to 38 reduction to 38 stories and we're going to hold the number of units hold. So the commitment of course to the 38 stories directed at us. The holding the commitment is the commitment to the developer to maintain that same level of units. So that has implications that dual commitment has implications. uh and let's go to the next slide. So here's uh here's our rough remember we have no data here so we're just working with uh with uh whatever we have. So we said is well what's the implications of that uh dual commitment? Well, let's take a look at So, there's a little chart. We took the number of the buildings. There's all the stories. We subtracted 38 uh for each of the buildings and we added them up. And we came and said, "So, that dual commitment means that the developer is now out 158 stories, 154 stories. They got to find 154 stories somewhere else." So, you can say, "Well, how many buildings is that?" Well, that gets into all sorts of issues. So, we don't know. You could take that number and divide it by 38 and come up with a you know as one approach but they're going to come up with a substantial number of build and they have look at the picture they got no land to put them so you got a bunch of buildings they're going to have to put somewhere so they're going to need the land and what I also think is important here is that's a major restructuring of this project you know um so it's not putting around at the fringes u you're not going to have every building at 38 stories. You're going to have to redesign. No, this is a major redesign. So, is anybody going to come back with a major redesign? Um, okay. Let's go to the next one. Well, where will this land come from? I'm not after the last discussion. I'm not getting into this one, but I want to tell you what is there's the there's the options, you know, town owned land, provinially owned land, privately owned land, some combination of um what we love Oakville would like to say is we don't support the transfer of land to the TOC for the purpose of enabling a developer to maintain 6,681 units and its profit objectives while reducing the building heights to 38 stories. So if this is a simply a thing to make the developer hold and hold them to their so they can get their original return on invested capital, we don't think that's what we should be doing. And it's not the responsible local taxpayers to provide additional town lane to make the pro provinially imposed project work. So let's go to the next one. Um the density challenge or density transfer. Okay, go to the chart first. Here's the data that we we're um the TOC is five hectares of land. Uh South Service Road is 11 hectares. There's parklands that we pull out. It's 07 on the TOC, 2.7 in the uh south service, 6,681 units in the TOC, and that's what they're going to keep whole. 5,600 units in the uh cell service. Assume two people per unit. That gives you the population. Then divide it by the land and you get the density. And you can see the extreme densities on what will be the east side of trfalar with the west side of trfalar. Okay, let's go to the next one. Oh, sorry. Let's go back. Sorry. So we ought to remind come back to the staff report the density of development beyond the draft OPA is not justified that's key so if that's the position that we had going in then in our view south service road provides like a benchmark now it's a benchmark you can use to then say are we achieving that objective um okay let's go to the next one because time is marching on here. This simply gives a comparison with two with Milin and Clarkson. You can see that the densities are reasonably in line and totally out of whack with the TOC. Let's go to the next one. Um, okay. This one I'd like to try this one. Uh, which have to go really fast. Uh what this what is I took the TOC on the left hand side and put the south service road on the right hand side and said well how much land do you need to add if you want to use that as a benchmark how much land you need to have and so each of those columns is adding a hectare. So you go from five hectares, six hectares, some bump right through. Okay, then you can see how the density drops. But at 10 hectares, you can see that the density is uh 1,376. Still a way above the density at South Service. Why? Because there's 2.7 hectares of park in the south service and the number of units is down. So if you want to get like back to your question uh councelor uh if you want just using this rough numbers if you want to get to say you want to meet that benchmark keep 6,881 units then just reverse it divide 13,000 people by your required density 1,800 and you'll come up with 13 and a half hectares. That's the area of the land. >> Mr. Good. Thank you very much for your assistance. I I'd like to emphasize and clarify that the province has said they will present us a proposal to the next council. >> The council will be free to accept or reject it. You will be welcome to come and and uh give your math lesson again. um there you're you're you're still in that bowling alley and I'm sorry but that's that's the way it is. >> Well, that's what we want to try and communicate to uh you and as our agent behind the curtain. Um and what we're you know so when you come out at the end when we come out of that this is we're trying to give you an indication this is how we're going to assess what comes out. >> I I have never had any doubt about that. Uh you you will remember writing me uh a long email on this subject. Do you recall that the other day? >> I do. I do actually. And I remember us discussing too. >> And do you remember my answer? Um, no. >> Well, never mind then. I guess it was a waste of time. >> No. >> We have questions for you from councelor Dick and councelor Elg through you, Mr. Mayor. Jim, thank you very very much to all of the members of We Love Oakville who spout or spent rather countless hours doing all these calculations as you have indicated, not knowing what the details are, not being able to work with real figures. You're trying to anticipate uh where it may go. And of course, as the mayor indicated, we can't share any of those details at the present time, but I think it's important that as you say, you set the table to say if this is something that you're considering, we want you to know where we're at and what we feel as your representative you should be doing. Okay. My other question to you is there anything further that you wanted to share with us that you were preempted from sharing. >> Well, you can just take you got the slide now. You can see the the you can take a look at the slide, you know, the kind of thing. I think the the closing thing I would say is that you know where do we stand at this point in time is um we have two very large competing projects. Mhm. >> One on the left hand, one on the east, one on the west. Okay. Um they are incompatible on almost every dimension and you just have to look at the staff report evaluation on the TOC. Uh we have two masters. Uh and we have no plan. OPA70 sits there. In my view, that's not a formula for success. And I think that's a challenge. How do you bring that? It's not an easy challenge you, but how do you bring that about and and the other piece is not that we don't have a plan. Let me tell I'll say this. Um we're now into a process of deal making. So we're working a deal with the province over here. We've approved it over here. We're application. We're working deals kind of thing. Don't have an OPA. Don't have a planning framework. But you know what else we don't we're losing? I really feel we're losing the vision that we had for Midtown. what it is it that we're really trying to build here that's going to take decades to accomplish. >> True. True. >> And that would be my concern. >> Okay. When you had referenced an off-ramp, okay. >> Yeah. >> Were was that in regards to the town owned lands regardless of public? just talking about the the the discussions again as I see I'm just reading the the the memo as I was saying is that uh uh for the opportunity of the province to say um oh well you know the federal government has not imposed binding regulations on this therefore the 38 numbers out the window we don't have to comply with it and I would rather say you made a promise you made a commitment >> so what what you're basically just so I understand what you're saying is um and I think you referenced it in your presentation if I'm not mistaken that um we the taxpayer should not be uh providing an offramp for the developer to meet that 38 stories is what you're saying. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would rephrase it slightly is Mr. Province Province who as you say is the were the children you know, better than me. Okay. You made a promise. You made a commitment. No wishy-washy words. You made a commitment that based on information from the town, you're going to reduce the TOC to 38 stories and hold the units, you know, don't try and back out of it. Don't come back out of it because, oh, there's a NAV candidate, you know, nobody's coming up with an official agreement or anything else. You know, don't don't give them that out. So that analogy of the parent and the child, maybe someone needs a timeout. >> Thank you, Jim. >> Mr. Goodfellow, I just want to stress that although I said the words that people that that lawyers call us the children of the province, uh that sentiment descends from the Constitution of the country. >> I'm not making it up. >> No, no, I understand that. And and by the way, I am sorry I didn't mean to be flip in response to your you know our discuss just was I was not thinking I just not recalling the exact context of our conversation. >> All righty. Councelor Iger thank you member Bergen. Would you be kind enough to send me that that uh presentation? I love it and I love Excel. So I'm going to do some work with that. >> You got it. I think it's >> Oh, I don't I don't got it. >> Oh yeah. Well, you'll get it. >> Okay. >> So, you'll you'll >> it's it's coming to you as per the usual procedure, counselor. >> Okay. Because I I I'm do like Excel and I got a lot of stuff plugged in myself, but I like the way you went about this. Thank you. >> And uh counselor. >> Thank you, Jim. Thank you very very much. You know, we know how many late hours you put in and um uh frankly, we couldn't have done it without you. Um, I would like to understand what is WL's view in terms of what would be good use of town-owned land in Midtown. >> In a quick answer, it would be parks. >> And why do you say that? >> Well, because well, that um I don't think we can achieve the uh livability objectives or the uh targets set out in OPA70. um uh without you know acquisition of land and I just would not to see what it's a scarce resource as I understand within Midtown and if there's any land of that I believe that's where it should the priority should go uh putting out to you know taking town land to put enable the developer to put up buildings with the same level of density that they have achieved uh so they can meet their uh return on investment objectives. Um to me just our we have great troubles with. So that would be the thing we would be jumping all over and looking at and seeing what was the rationale for that along with all the rest that goes in with land you know typical land transfers values pricing >> appraisals all that stuff. What are the elements in the 420 decision that caused We Love Oakville to support that development? >> Well, I just think the overall I mean it was the what three three things I think have come down to. One was just the design of the uh and the allocation of their park land and the way they designed, you know, and their commitment to, you know, providing um that level of uh uh land and commit to that level of parkland that you're not just going to build on. Uh so that would be one. The second thing would be the process that they went through which was very such a contrast with the TOC process you know um open uh sharing you know listening coming back showing that they actually listened and responded. So the whole process thing and the third was uh the people uh just impressed with the people you know I felt you were dealing with uh uh very quality people. So people process and the design would be the the quick answer. >> Thank you very much Mayor Burton. I do have two questions for staff but I have no further questions for Mr. Goodfellow. >> Good counselor. Let's see. Counselor don't don't run. There's other counselors. Janet has colleagues. Councelor Ramirez is next. >> Sorry, Jim. And yeah, before you you you scuttle off there. You don't get off that quick. And I just want to pick on uh on Janet's comments about about um the engagement. How important was it um on 420 that that you guys felt invested in the process and engaged in it and and and what was what do you think that dynamic added to added to the overall uh ability to come to consensus? Well, they were just very open and like we had two meeting two there was two meetings that we had with them and they called for the second you know so it was the second wasn't our call they they called um you know there's a there's a you know you know a difference when you know you're back to the when you're providing input and somebody's actually listening. >> Yeah. And they were actually they this they were saying you know they you had a just a sense that the uh your information was valuable uh and they wanted to hear and then when they second meeting they showed that they'd actually acted on it and so that builds you know you just build a level of trust and confidence and uh and their quality of their execs were uh were uh you know very very professional very competent and it's very sincere there. So, uh I don't know. >> No, you're right. The the process matters, right? It's not just the outcome. The process matters. >> Yeah. And it's not not so that Yeah. We had a good process and we all felt good. >> No, we had a process we thought, but you we had a better product. >> You know, the end result was better as opposed to the TC process which you had a process and you were just totally ticked off with and the end product didn't change. It's I appreciate those comments because I think we feel that on a number of ranges. So, thank you very much, Jim. >> Councelor Giddings. >> Thank you, Jim. Um, for your information during follow-up discussions that we've had with them, they too, it was reciprocal. They too enjoyed the quality of the people that were in the room, the questions that were asked, and how you went about it. Just wanted to share that with you. Holy cow, Rick. That's That's surprising, huh? >> Thank you, Mr. Goodfellow. >> Thank you, >> Councelor Hlet Deal. >> Thank you, Mayor Burton. Um uh I I I would like to understand um in the in the report you talk about um uh ongoing discussions um which uh I I would echo uh Mr. Goodfellow's comments. We're very appreciative of the report that we received. We're appreciative it's in the public realm. Um could you just clarify for us um are staff participating in your discussions with the province in this past few weeks? >> Staff have not been participating with me. When I when the convention is that when the political side of the province speaks to the city, they speak to the uh political head and when uh staff and then normally it's staff to staff, politician to politician. I will say that I expect that where things are at is I expect them to provide a proposal to council. Council will be free to accept or reject it. No one is is no one involved believes that council doesn't make the decision. Your concerns will be I mean your opportunity will be to accept or reject. I don't know how else to to reassure you that you're not losing anything except gaining an uh all you're doing is gaining an option against uh the possibility that uh there's no relief otherwise. And I thought I made that fairly clear in the report. Mayor Burton, I I I think that you made some statements in the report that um uh help the public understand uh to some degree what the circumstances are. Um, and um, uh, I do believe that I hope that you heard tonight that, uh, when you use a phrase about the approval of the 34 38 floor heights on the lands east of Trafalar at 420 as indicative of councils and public interest in a 38 floor cap with density reduction on lands west of Trafalgar. I would just hope that the holistic view of what we achieved on 420 is really the priority. Um because uh if if it had been 38 um and with nothing else uh uh that of of the good that came out of our discussions, I can tell you sir, it probably would not have passed. Councelor, I would draw your attention to the paragraph you just partially quoted and I would ask you to read the words you left out by starting at the start. You are attributing to me something that I attributed to them. And would you be kind enough to correct that so that you don't look like you're misrepresenting my report? Mayor Burton, I don't think you that would was the case, but yes, I will clarify. The province and the developer perceive council's unanimous approval of the 38 floor heights on the lands east of Trafalar at 43 420 South Server Road as indicative of council's and the public's interest in the 38 floor cap with density reduction on the lands west of Trafaloger 2. And so and then you go on to talk about that uh we are lame duck and I am appreciative that uh that you're respecting that it is a time period where a decision uh cannot be made. It is though unfortunate because this is the council that worked through a Midtown committee that worked through a petition to get try and get it to 35,000 that worked through the dynamic of trying to find uh a planning an OPA that made uh the appropriate sense and delivered the growth. And um so I will continue to to push that um you have chosen to put this in your hands and so I'm just trying to emphasize to you if that is the province and the developers perception please correct it. >> Counselor, thank you uh for uh amplifying your statement to avoid misrepresenting me and I regret that you think I haven't done that. Um, would you like to move and second the receipt of the report? Anyone? >> What about the motion? Is that coming now? >> No, that's under new business. >> May I have a mover and second for councelor Chisum? Is there a second? Councelor Adams. Any objection? There being no objection, that's that's received now. Um, council, you have your uh staff memoranda. Uh that brings us to uh so my my suggestion is that we do the new business now and uh an attempt and we'll also do the request for reports or I'm sorry the there's another there's an additional walk-on notice of motion tonight. My recommendation is that we do all of the public business before we go to 12.1 and 12.2 the confidential uh updates on the TOC. Makes sense. >> Thank you. So, um, moving to new business, we have a notice of motion. I support it and I would like to see it. Councelor Omira, do you have something? >> I just have if we're doing new business, I have a um um message of condolence to read, but if I'll take your your time on on when that >> I I welcome uh you doing it now. That would be fine. >> Okay. Thank you. Um I u just this is um um just want to to say this on uh I was deeply saddened to hear the passing of Josh uh Kamancho. Josh was a dedicated uh dedicated himself to serving others both as a sum member of the Oakville Marine search and rescue team and through his service as a peace officer at the Ontario Legislature. His commitment to public service both here and in Oakville and at Queens Park is a legacy that he deserves. Uh our sincere condolences go out to Josh's family, friends, colleagues, and his fellow crew members at OMSAR uh during this difficult time and he passed away unfortunately on the weekend. But he was a uh a great asset at OMSAR and a always giving himself uh to uh to other causes and he was very wellliked and respected as a crew member and and he will be missed and again uh our condolences go out to his family and all his crew mates at MSAR. Thank you very much, councelor Romera. I think we all join in those sentiments, so thank you for expressing them. Um so council you have a notice of motion from uh councilors Dutk and Giddings uh concerning uh which is uh for future business I believe uh asking that the uh the state of the town address be prohibited from being given between May and uh November if I understand it correctly. And uh with that, I would draw your attention to the uh the other uh notice of motion that we have, which is the uh uh writing a request to the Greater Toronto Airports Authority to seek federal airspace protection for Midtown Oakville. And uh wait, I know you're eager. It's It's uh Do you have your coffee? >> I got it here somewhere. I do. >> Okay. So, >> no. I want this one. >> So, this is already moved counselor by councelor Hazlet deal and by councelor Dave Giddings. >> Well, I was saying to wait procedure, but I guess we've already done that. >> No, we're getting to it now. >> You are in a hurry. All right. So, I support this and I would like to recommend that we wave the procedure so that we can consider it tonight. And uh for that purpose, the motion we need is that in accordance with section 2 sub 2 of the procedure bylaw, section 14.1 sub 2 of the procedure bylaw be waved to permit consideration of this notice of motion at tonight's meeting. I need a mover and a seconder. Uh, councelor Nanda and uh, uh, councelor Elgger. Uh, are there any objections? Councelor Hazatil, your hand is still up. >> I didn't think you'd be objecting. There being no objection, that is carried. Um, councelor has deal and councelor Giddings have the floor. Uh thank you through you, Mayor Burton. Uh I am not going to read it line by line. Um uh if uh if the clerk could put it up, that would be great for the public to see it. But the essence of this is that um >> counselor, could I suggest that the clerk put up the therefors? >> That would be great. >> That might fit. So while she's doing that, I will just speak to the fact that we all need to know that our airspace is safe. We also know that an agency that uh has uh declared that they have a concern uh with the um the heights um and has have stated a height limit um in their uh in their objections to high-rise proposals. And we've had some back and forth between uh different uh levels of government and different requirements in which to