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Agricultural Community Improvement Plan Reviewed - 23 Sep 26
Hamilton · September 25, 2026
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>> Okay, we're live.
>> All right. Uh, call the meeting to
order, I guess. Good evening. We have a
meeting of the Agriculture and Rural
Affairs Advisory Committee, and we're
still waiting for quorum, so we're going
to go into recess.
We're live. Drew,
>> you're muted.
>> Where's the Drew?
>> I am muted. Okay. Good evening everyone.
Welcome to the Agriculture Rule Affairs
Advis Subcommittee meeting. Let me get
my thing back up here. Uh we have quorum
present for tonight's meeting now and
I'd like to call this meeting of the
Agriculture and Rural Affairs
Subcommittee to order. Uh reminder,
please turn off your cell phones to a
non-audible function. We have an agenda
in front of us. Can I have a mover and a
seconder to approve the agenda as
presented?
Councelor Casar and Daniel Vanderhout.
Is there any discussion on that?
All in favor or anyone opposed? I guess
I'll say is anyone opposed?
I'll call that carried.
Any declarations of interest at this
time?
Hearing none, we'll move on to the
minutes of June 22nd.
Will there be a mover and a seconder to
adopt those minutes as presented?
I have councelor Casar again. I can't
see everybody here.
Is there a second?
>> Okay, Janice. Thank you.
Any discussion on those minutes?
If not, is anyone opposed to approving
those minutes?
We'll call that carried.
Going to move to item 7.1, agriculture
community improvement plan feasibility
study, the project update and feedback.
And I will turn it over to Tyson McMahon
to uh provide us with his presentation.
through the chair. Drew, thank you. Uh,
and appreciate everyone taking the time
to join us today at the committee
meeting. Uh, today, as Drew mentioned,
this will this is a project update and a
bit of a feedback session for uh, the
agricultural rule affairs subcommittee.
So, [clears throat] earlier in the year
at our June meeting, we presented the
agricultural CIP feasibility study that
we had begun work on. Uh since that time
we have done uh some more project
research analysis as well as uh some
significant consultation with
stakeholders community and in the
farming community as well. So tonight uh
I'll be brief. I'll pass it over to
Marilyn and Rebecca. They will provide
an overview of the project work to date,
the what we heard from stakeholders,
some of those themes that we heard as
well as draft recommendations when it
comes to uh what we heard from the
community when it comes to priorities
for the agricultural industry as well as
recommendations for what a draft CIP or
community improvement plan uh could look
like. Uh so with that I'll pass it over
to both Marilyn and Rebecca who'll take
us through the presentation as well as
the feedback session.
>> Fantastic. Thank you all. Can I just
test that you can hear me?
>> We can.
>> Thank you chair. Yeah. Uh great. So
Tyson uh said it if you recall our last
meeting. We're here today to um
reintroduce the concept and share back
what we've heard and then uh gather your
input. So um Rebecca, if you don't mind
going to the the next slide, I'll go
over our agenda. Our goal today is to um
go over what the project involves, what
a CIP is just as a refresher because
most of you have heard it once or twice
before. Um and then uh fill you in on
what's been accomplished in the project
to date. So that includes um our review
of background data and policy as well as
what we've heard from stakeholders so
far. Um then we'll be going through the
sector informed priorities. So basically
the the analysis of everything we've
heard and we'll take you through the
draft recommendations that we have for
the agriculture CIP and some other
strategic initiatives the city could be
doing as well. And then at the end of
the presentation, we'd like to make sure
there's some time to answer questions,
clarify any points, um, and generally
just get your feedback on these as we go
to refine them into a final report. Um,
so I'll hand it off to Rebecca to, uh,
recap the project for you all.
>> Perfect. Thanks, Marilyn. Uh, so I'll
begin with a brief overview of the
study, our objectives, and where we're
at in the process.
Um, so as you might remember from the
June meeting, the study was designed to
move from a really broad question about
feasibility towards a locally grounded
understanding of what would make a
difference in rural Hamilton. So we
began by examining the legislative and
policy framework that enables the city
to provide incentives through a
community improvement plan and looked at
how other municipalities in Ontario have
used this tool in rural and agricultural
settings. That research gave us some
examples and uh but not necessarily
answers for Hamilton. Hamilton has its
own combination of farm types, land use
policies, infrastructure, industrial
capacity, transportation assets, and
development pressures. So engagement
with the local agricultural community,
city councilors and staff, industry
representatives, and the general public
was central to the study. and that was
to be able to identify local priorities
um barriers, assess possible incentive
structures and recommend practical
approaches uh and funding
considerations. So our central question
is not simply whether the city can
establish a CIP for the agriculture and
rural areas, but rather how uh a CIP
could be designed to meaningfully impact
and respond to Hamilton's agricultural
context and support investments that
might not otherwise proceed.
So the the studies progressed through
five phases. Uh the work completed since
May has sort of progressively narrowed
the focus of our study. The background
research helped us to understand what
was possible and our stakeholder
engagement helped us to understand
what's needed in the sector. We are now
in phase four where our research and
consultation findings have been
translated into draft recommendations
that we'll be presenting tonight. uh
bridging those two pieces together.
Following today's discussion, those
recommendations will be refined for
inclusion in a final background report
uh that will be presented to council for
some consideration on next steps.
So before we turn to the findings, I
think it's helpful just to pause and
clarify what a CIP is and what it's not.
Um so as you might remember a CIP
creates a defined and transparent
framework for providing financial
incentives and undertaking municipal
initiatives uh where that investment is
expected to produce uh a broader
community benefit. So community
improvement plans are increasingly used
across Ontario because municipalities
are otherwise limited in their ability
to provide direct financial incentives
or assistance to private businesses and
land owners. So in rural Hamilton, what
this could look like uh from a community
benefit perspective, that could be more
resilient farm businesses, greater food
processing capacity, employment, uh
environmental performance, or expanded
opportunities for local food and
agurism.
I should note that uh a CIP doesn't
replace uh the required planning
approvals, whether that's building
permits, environmental requirements, or
other regulations. uh a project still
has to comply with that framework. Uh
but a CIP can reduce um identified
barriers and encourage private
investment in projects that produce that
wider community and economic benefit.
So depending on how a program is
designed, incentives can include grants,
loans, rebates or fees, uh re uh or
rebates that are tied to increases in
municipal tax. So a CIP can support um
also municipal actions that create
broader environmental, social, physical
or economic benefits um with the
important point being that the incentive
should really respond to an identified
barrier. So if upfront capital is the
main challenge, a matching grant might
help. If planning and technical
requirements are creating uh
disproportionate costs, maybe it's a fee
rebate or a grant for professional
services that may be more useful. Um if
a project will substantially increase
this assessed value of a property, a
taxbased incentives may be more
appropriate. And so for an agriculture
CIP in rural Hamilton, the strongest
model uh might be one that combines
carefully targeted financial incentives
such as these with broader municipal
actions that improve the conditions for
agricultural investment.
I should note that Hamilton already does
have considerable experience
administering CIPs. The city currently
uses CIPs to address housing, commercial
revitalization, and environmental
remediation and sustainable development.
And that experience really is an
important strength. The city already
understands how to establish a community
improvement project area, administer
applications, structure incentives, and
monitor investments. But the gap here is
geographic and sectoral. [snorts]
Existing programs are directed primarily
towards urban priorities whereas farms
and rural businesses operate within a
very different investment environment
and there is currently no dedicated
framework focused on agricultural
economic development.
A CIP for agriculture in rural Hamilton
would address a distinct geographic and
economic context with different
development patterns, investment needs,
project timelines, and regulatory
considerations.
I'll turn it over to Marilyn here to
walk us through the jurisdictional scan.
>> Yeah. So, as part of our review, we took
a look at other jurisdictions CIPs. Um
so, um you'll see the the full list here
that we um looked at in, you know,
varying levels of depth. And you'll note
that some of these are community
improvement plans full, and some are
referring to a specific grant that was
that was focused on agriculture. And
that's generally because there's two
approaches um to focusing the topic of a
CIP. In some cases, a CIP might apply to
the entire municipality and it will
include incentives that can be applied
in rural and urban areas. Um and this
offers um more of an equalizing approach
where there's more opportunity for more
applicants um for a wider variety of
projects. And in this case, um, so
Norfolk County on that list there is one
example where there's a municipalwide
CIP and they have one grant focused at
agriculture and on-farm diversified
uses. Um, so um, this is where we tend
to see a lot of very com like
commonalities across municipalities and
how they offer those. Um, and then, um,
the other approach is to do um,
something a little more focused. And so
this is where a municipality might have
a specific CIP and a specific allocation
of funding for that CIP towards a
particular improvement outcome. Um so
this is how the city of Hamilton
currently operates their CIPs, their you
know their brownfield specific or
downtown specific. Um and this allows
the city to really target a specific
outcome or objective for improvement. Um
and so while this approach is common for
um lots of different types of
improvement, it's not so common for
agriculture. And so we reviewed um three
in particular that do take a focus on
agriculture.
So Rebecca, if you don't mind going to
the next slide.
Yeah. So um the first of these is
Heldman County. So they have a rural
business and tourism CIP from 2013. Um,
this one's the longest running one we
found. It is currently under a review,
so they might, you know, make changes to
that upcoming. Um, and then, uh, in
2021, King Township updated their CIP
program and included a stream specific
to rural resiliency. And this one is is
focused specifically at agricultural
properties. And then most recently,
there's the county of Brandt just next
door who introduced one back in April of
this year. Um and so um they act fairly
similarly uh very similar objectives to
supporting agriculture and agra food
network. Um and what you'll notice is
common as well is that the incentives
all operate as grants primarily um and
support you know a 50%
cost matching for eligible costs. Um
you'll note that the incentive types are
all fairly similar as well. You can see
common improvement types like facade
signage um agra tourism um and things
like uh waving of planning application
or building permit fees. Um and then
you'll also see that um in each of the
three jurisdictions they've had fairly
similar um financial allocations
although with Brandt's introduction of
this new CIP they they went larger for
2026.
And then all three of them publish um a
return on the ratio of their return on
investment. So you can see there that um
all of them have quite a good return.
Brandt County especially has had quite a
lot of success in their previous CIPs.
Um but you know yet to see what this new
one um will will bring in. In terms of
the differences between them that I want
to highlight, um, notably King Township
um, identifies that that grant
opportunity could be converted to tax
relief instead. Um, whereas Halddederman
offers a tax increment grant in addition
to um, other costs or other grant
opportunities and those are separate
grants that work together. Um and then
uh another sort of noticeable difference
here um that's in the CIP programs is
that along with the specific incentives
for property owners uh the township of
King has also um committed to a variety
of municipal strategies and actions that
they've decided to um commit to to work
in tandem with the CIP. So, as they try
to incentivize private investment,
they're also um working on these uh
public realm strategy, urban design
guidelines, revitalization strategy, and
then updates to their zoning ballot to
go alongside it because they've
identified that that will help to make
it a little more successful.
So, um, the key takeaways from these is
that, um, while it's less common to have
an agriculture focused CIP, at least in
southwestern Ontario, um, there's a
fairly strong indicator going as far
back as 2013, that there's a business
case to be made. There's strong return
on investment, um, and that, um, these
types of support for the agricultural
sector are in demand and and fairly
successful. So, I think there's
something to be said that it's very
timely for Hamilton to be looking into
this approach. Um, you know, given that
Halddeman and and Brandt do it, there's
a bit of a patchwork of neighboring
municipalities that Hamilton can join um
to create more of a regional um support
in this format for the sector.
And then, Rebecca, if you don't mind
going to the next slide, I want to
highlight a few other examples. So, like
I said, um the the CIPs highlighted the
municipalities highlighted on this slide
have municipalwide CIP. So, they're
applicable to um lots of different types
of uses or areas in the municipality. Um
but, um what's interesting about these
is they have one or two that are
specifically focused for agriculture.
And this is where in some of the
language and and eligible um criteria
for these CIPs, we see some of the
innovation that municipalities are
looking to when they want to support
agriculture improvement. Um so you can
see areas of uh Bruce County and George
and Bluffs looking at areas of
agricultural innovation specifically
when it comes to um different types of
crops um or different types of
processing or doing uh direct sales on
site. And then excuse me um we can see
um other CIPs uh focus on things like
reducing waste in uh production or
looking at other types of environmental
improvements to the soil or source
water.
Excuse me.
Um general property improvement is a
very common CIP. [clears throat] Excuse
me. Sorry, I might have to grab a loge.
Rebecca, do you mind taking over the
slide and I'll be right back with you.
>> Sure. No problem. Um, so on general
property improvements, that could be
things like farm labor residences where
um the scale of the operation is large
enough to warrant having additional
employees beyond the owner operator. Um
it could also just be um building
expansion, retrofitting or conversion uh
of different existing or new um new
building types on the farm. Um in Brent
County, this looked like commercial
reuse of existing uh barns or other
structures. Um so to to complement that
onfarmm retail or direct sales uh
approach that that they're trying to
incentivize. Um and then on the last
category that might look like
infrastructure upgrades. So in Hton
Hills they identified a lack of um
high-speed broadband connection as being
a barrier for continued um growth and
expansion in the in the rural sector. So
um one of the the categories of
improvement in that case would be um
working with uh utility providers to
facilitate uh the installation of
broadband infrastructure
in Brent County. Um cycling and active
transportation enhancement was a
priority. So uh in some cases um the
labor force uh a workforce in um the
agriculture and rural sector um might
not always have uh access to a private
vehicle. there's not good transit
connectivity to these areas. So, um
providing that safe uh and efficient uh
infrastructure for active transportation
and other modalities um helps to then
bridge that gap.
Going to pivot gears to look uh now at
the current context in Hamilton. uh
looking at um some of the most recent
findings from the agricultural census um
the policy and legislative framework in
Hamilton for um the rural areas uh and
what this means for the agriculture CIP
and I'll pass it back to Marilyn for
this first slide.
>> Thanks Rebecca. Apologies for that. I'm
going to try to talk through it so uh
excuse me if I need to take a few coffee
breaks. Um, so first I wanted to make a
note on our approach. When we talk about
food broadly, we often fail to recognize
the entire system that goes into getting
food from production to the table. Um,
and and what happens in between.
[clears throat]
And so to do that would miss out on some
real assets in Hamilton. Um, we know
from the outset of the project, it
became very clear that we wanted to take
a systems approach to our review. Um and
so what you have here is just a very
oversimplified um visual of the aggra
food chain that shows the cycle of
production and some of the other steps
that are really key into making sure
that Hamilton's agriculture is
successful um the sector is successful
and shows some of the assets that
Hamilton already has as its as its
disposal um particularly when it comes
to processing and industry distribution
um and then dining and tourism. Uh so
we've kept that this approach top of
mind throughout and that is uh really
easily seen on the next slide.
Um with some research, sorry Rebecca,
thanks.
I segueed too subtly there. Um so
there's some research here shown that um
demonstrates Hamilton strength
particularly in agra business which
includes both agriculture and food and
beverage and and the secondary and
tertiary um sectors within that agra
food chain. So what you're looking at
here is a map from Waterlue Economic
Development Corporation research back
from 2023 that shows um location
quotient um and essentially North
America's established clusters for food
and beverage employment. And this is as
a share of the national average. That's
how they've grafted. So we can see that
the biggest cluster is located in
Toronto. The biggest green cluster which
is they consider true employment is
located in the Toronto area. And then
there's a nice little inset there that
shows um that the the real emerging
clusters that make up the Toronto area
actually includes Hamilton, Waterlue,
and G quite substantially.
And so I won't go too much into this
data, but I wanted to highlight that,
you know, we've heard so much talk about
Hamilton as an aggra food hub and how
it's just continuing to grow. And I
think this um data really puts puts a
nice picture to how real that is across
the entire continent.
And then we'll go on to the next slide
and we'll talk um very quickly about
agriculture. So as part of our review,
we also took a look at census of
agriculture and labor survey data um
primarily as it was compiled for um
Hamilton Biomafa.
And I won't go into too much detail here
again because you folks are already the
expert on this side of things. Um but
some of the key takeaways that we feel
um really demonstrate what a CIP could
support with include the trends that we
can see in
changing production types. So such as
new animals being rared, um new crops
being taken on or changes to organic
product usage, things like that. Um as
well as trends in technology uptake, um
automation, looking for efficiencies
that way.
um increasing direct sales on form in a
variety of forms. Um and then of course
uh the demographic changes. So as
population as this population is aging
um and as farm sizes uh increase while
the number of farms decrease as well. So
we we know that that would translate
quite well in terms of creating demand
for the type of CIP that could support
farmers in investing
>> how you get two people
>> value adding processing. was pretty much
reading this
>> diversified uses
and other ways to increase profit
margins or encourage more resilient
businesses. Um, [snorts] so we can tell
that there there would be demand for
this in Hamilton.
I'm going to hand it over again to you,
Rebecca. Thanks.
>> Thanks, Marilyn. Um so when we look at
the policy basis for uh how a CIP could
be structured in Hamilton uh really any
municipal initiative has to operate
within the larger planning framework and
at the provincial level this includes
the provincial planning statement the
green belt plan and the larger escarment
plan.
>> Um so the provincial framework
establishes two sort of equally
important directions. The first being
protection. So prime agricultural land
has to remain available for agriculture
for uh land use conflict has to be
managed and new activities um can't
undermine the long-term function of the
agricultural system. The second is the
systems approach. So provincial policies
recognize that protecting land is not
really enough if businesses can't adapt,
invest or remain economically
productive. The system also depends on
infrastructure, services, processing,
distribution and supporting businesses.
These plans together support
agricultural viability and
diversification but within clear sort of
parameters for uh land use and
environmental protection. And the CIP
has to strike that balance. It should
support investment and diversification
but without weakening the protection of
the agricultural land base or impacting
on the escarment's ecological and
landscape values. Then just let me
listen to the rest of the
>> uh Hamilton's local policy provides a
basis for agriculture agricultural
related uses and certain onfarmm
secondary uses and a framework for
protecting agricultural land and
supporting a viable rural economy. uh
farming is directed to the agriculture
rural and specialty crop designations to
maintain that stable base uh where a
wide range of agriculture agriculture
related and onfarmm secondary uses are
permitted. Um our review identified
areas where the framework supports that
agricultural investment as well as areas
where greater flexibility or clarity
might be beneficial. Um for example um
stakeholders raised questions about
permissions and processes for agurism,
renewable energy, processing, retail and
other activities associated with more
contemporary farm business models.
Um the policy direction in the official
plan is implemented through the zoning
bylaw with um detailed controls on
permitted uses, lot sizes, setbacks,
development standards. I won't go
through those, but they're up here for
your review. Um I will note um one thing
that came up I mentioned just briefly um
is the lack of um established
permissions or regulations for renewable
and alternative energy systems which I
understand is a priority of council to
uh to review uh and potentially
integrate in the future um subject to
staff's recommendations. So I wanted to
flag that uh as part of our review as
well.
Uh beyond the policy framework, there is
good strong strategic alignment for
municipal action through a CIP uh
through Hamilton's food strategy and the
economic development action plan. They
both identify agriculture as an
important economic driver and recognize
uh an agriculture focused EIP as a
potential tool for addressing barriers
and supporting reinvestment. Um the food
strategy in particular supports a
sustainable uh and resilient food system
uh recognizing the need for
infrastructure, coordinated funding,
business support, innovation and
diversification. Um so provides a really
good basis for a CIP to build on those
existing municipal directions
>> rather than creating a separate or or
disconnected program.
The last thing I want to touch on um on
the the framework side of things is the
city enrichment fund which provides
really valuable community events,
education and not for-profit activities
through a dedicated um funding
allocation uh by council. Uh so this
includes support for agricultural
affairs, farmers markets, farm crawls,
youth education, soil health
initiatives, community gardens, public
education, just to name a few. Um I I
want to stress that this funding plays a
really important role but it does serve
a different purpose from a CIP. Uh it
primarily supports programs, events and
community activities whereas a CIP would
focus more directly on those capital
improvements, business investments and
property related projects um and other
eligible activities that might uh be
intended to improve long-term capacity.
So, if council were to decide uh to move
forward with a CIP, the two programs
could be complimentary. Um, but I' I'd
stress that they shouldn't be treated as
interchangeable uh with one replacing
the other.
Now, I'm going to segue to talk about uh
what we heard from stakeholder
engagement and consultation. Um, a
really major component of this study was
hearing directly from people who work in
support and interact with Hamilton's
agricultural sector. Uh, and this
program was designed to test the
findings of our background research
against that practical experience.
Um, so I think this is a really
important thing to highlight uh before
we get into what we heard. um we were
able to connect with more than 93
participants across the first three pa
phases of this project which um really
lend lended itself to um a really
diverse and detailed overview of of the
sector. We heard from people who might
apply to a future program uh people who
would administer and review it, elected
representatives who hear directly from
rural constituents and organizations
that understand those broader industry
trends. Um, the workshop provided a
space for that larger group discussion
and allowed participants to react to
examples from other municipalities. Uh,
the one-on-one interviews gave us space
to explore individual experiences with
investment approvals, business expansion
on firm diversification. Uh, and the
farm crawl popup added the perspective
of residents and visitors uh who are the
customers and intended audience for many
direct sales and farm experience
activities.
Uh and really our focus here um in
structuring this engagement was not
simply a request for a list of preferred
grants, but asking stakeholders what is
preventing investment, what improvement
might look like, uh and what would have
to change for a future program to be
credible and to be useful to have uh
good uptake and and good impact.
And so the these next couple slides sum
up some of the the themes that came out
of those um different activities. Um
first that Hamilton has a really strong
foundation for agra food growth. Uh
stakeholders pointed to the city's
agricultural and industrial sectors,
transportation connections, this
momentum in building a food hub and
growing interest in local products and
and sort of buying local and shopping
with small businesses.
Second, opportunities related to
agriculture and agurism are not yet
fully realized. There's interest in farm
experience, direct sales, value added
production, and emerging technologies
that can be tapped into.
Third, the municipal development process
is viewed as a barrier. Um, participants
described complex requirements, lengthy
approval processes, uncertainty, and
difficulty identifying a clear path
forward.
Fourth, some sector se stakeholders
believed that um policies and
regulations haven't kept pace with the
realities of modern agriculture um in
particular in relation to processing,
packaging, farm, retail, agurism,
technology, renewable energy and farm
worker housing. So this could be an
opportunity um for future uh review um
and update um following sort of um some
targeted effort at looking at the policy
framework in sort of greater detail. Um
there was also strong support for a more
serviceoriented municipal model. Um this
could be a dedicated liaison or
concierge who could provide early
guidance um coordinate review uh between
internal city departments and help
applicants navigate requirements. Um
that role could be uh helping a business
owner understand really early on in the
process what's permitted, what approvals
are required, who needs to be involved,
and what that practical path to
compliance could look like before
significant resources are committed.
Uh the next kind of theme was on
infrastructure and whether uh there's
capacity within existing infrastructure
to support those larger operations uh
and business growth and expansion. So
whether that's electrical capacity,
natural gas, broadband, uh stormwater
management, transportation or
distribution infrastructure as important
sort of considerations.
Um, participants also described broader
pressures including high land and
capital costs, difficulty accessing
traditional financing, labor and skill
shortages, succession challenges, heavy
workloads, and economic and climate
uncertainty as being um major
constraints. As well,
when we talked about specific
incentives, stakeholders emphasized that
they needed to be meaningful,
predictable, and easy to understand. Um,
smaller grants might help with some
projects, but they are unlikely to
overcome these major uh, capital,
regulatory or infrastructure barriers by
themselves.
Um, which kind of leads to the last
point here. stakeholders preferred a
sectorwide approach focused on
productivity, innovation,
diversification, market access,
resilience, and opportunities for the
next generation, which led to our our
sort of central finding in this study um
that a CIP might be valuable, but its
effectiveness will really depend on
those complimentary initiatives as part
of a broader municipal effort.
Um the public engagement at Farm Curl
Hamilton reinforced several themes and
added sort of another dimension to this
story. Um attendees described how
visiting farms and learning about local
food production influenced their
purchasing habits and strengthened their
interest in buying locally.
Young families uh valued the hands-on
and educational opportunities that help
children understand where food comes
from and emphasized um the importance of
protecting rural land for continued
agricultural use.
Farms were viewed not only as places for
production, but also as destinations
where people could connect with
producers, spend time socially with
friends and family, and experience
Hamilton's rural landscape. A lot of
those visitors came from out of town. Uh
so from Toronto, Burlington, Oakville,
uh even GE, uh Bmpton, Missaga, uh and
described that as a way to get out of
the city. So that has really um really
potential economic value for farm
operators through not only direct sales
but educational activities, potentially
dining or farm-based experience and
broader community value by increasing
awareness of local agriculture and
providing public support for farmland
production. So it's not just about
attracting visitors to the rural area,
but supporting activities that
strengthen [snorts] the underlying farm
business uh and connect food uh connect
residents back to local food production.
Um, so something to consider as we
structure um the CIP and the types of
programs or streams that might be
incentivized.
I'll pass it over to Marilyn to take us
through the next section.
>> Thank you. Yeah. So, um, at this point
of the presentation, you've heard what
the community has shared with us
throughout this project. You've also
heard a summary of the current Hamilton
context through the background review
earlier. Um and so we want to briefly
sort of recap and um reiterate what it
all means. We've done that through a
simple SWAT analysis and uh summary of
four key priorities that have informed
the draft recommendations.
So uh next slide please, Rebecca. As
just a a refresher, a SWAT analysis is
just an assessment tool to help identify
all of the different factors at play
when considering an action or decision.
So it um can be a helpful tool at a at a
time like this when we want to assess um
what those factors are. We're going to
start with internal factors and these
are things within the city's
jurisdiction
um or influence
um and so that includes things like um
uh there were a lot of strengths we
heard. So those include things like um
the strong foundation that Hamilton
already has for the aggra food industry
whether that's production or um those
other steps in the chain um distribution
and processing.
And then uh Hamilton's location is also
a really key asset for the city. Um
whether you know no matter the method um
it can be shipped from Hamilton, right?
It can be distributed. um there's
there's so much opportunity there when
you have access to the world that way.
Then um internally um in terms of the
city itself, there's um strong policy
direction. So so at the municipal level
and the provincial level um the the
importance of agriculture is recognized
in policy um and is protected uh quite
broadly. The city also has experience
with CIPs. So um there's no need for a
substantial learning curve to implement
something like this. And then in terms
of the local industry um we've uh seen
that there is significant capacity for
innovation all across that aggra food
chain. Um but particularly in
agriculture there's demand and interest
in adapting and innovating and farmers
are already doing it. Um and so the
opportunity is there and then uh I think
you all are testament to this um that
there is already a really strong network
of of local champions in the farming
community of a a strong social and
professional network um [snorts] with
expertise and desire to share those
learnings and um desire to spread the
word about opportunities that something
like a CIP could offer. And then of
course there's some um weaknesses or
areas to work on. Um so as Rebecca
highlighted, we heard quite a bit about
the complexity of municipal approvals
and how that can introduce a lot of
uncertainty for businesses. Um and then
with that comes relationships um in in
need of some repair and some trust
building there. Um you know whether real
or perceived, there's an opportunity to
strengthen those.
um policies are also um perceived to not
be keeping up with agriculture and how
how modern agriculture operates. Um you
[snorts] know and as a planner myself I
can say that that is somewhat
inevitable. PL uh policy will always be
a step behind industry and and actual
practice. Um and so um this is you know
potentially the time to be reviewing
that and making sure it is as upto-date
and um as flexible for modern farm
practices as is permissible.
Then um as Rebecca mentioned, there are
some significant infrastructure gaps
that we've heard are um currently
constraining farmers from expanding or
growing their businesses um that are,
you know, that are beyond the the um
capacity for a single uh property owner
to to overcome in many cases. And then
we also um understand that there can
often be a mismatch in funding when it
comes to CIP grants. So for the the
examples that you saw earlier ranged
from $5 to $15,000
and um in some cases and as may be the
case for some farmers um these are not
large enough to move the needle on the
types of projects and so there are some
cases where those type of incentives
would be very appropriate and some cases
where they might not be and so that's
something to consider. We'll move on to
external factors. Please, Rebecca.
Yeah. So, again, these are outside of
the city's soul control. We look first
at opportunities. Um, so we're seeing
huge shifts in consumer demand, right?
Um, people are shifting their buying
habits for supporting Canadian and
supporting local, supporting Ontario. Um
and we're starting to see that shift in
spending [clears throat]
and um the support for the agra tourism
industry is also very strong right now.
Excuse me.
I'll see if I can make it through this
this section. [clears throat] Excuse me.
Um [snorts] so I think farm crawl on the
weekend.
I'm so sorry everybody. Rebecca, do you
mind taking over this one?
>> Yeah, no problem. Um, so on the
opportunity side, we see the expanding
aggra tourism market and Farm Carl
Hamilton being a really great example of
that. Um, we were there for just a
couple hours and managed to talk to um,
you know, 40 50 people in that span. Um
and in chatting with um Summit Station
Dairy, they mentioned that in this grand
scheme of private tours and uh the farm
curl events from the year prior, um
they'd had about 8,000 visitors through
their farm uh in that year of uh 2025.
Um so there's a really big market for um
tourism to be driving um even just
onfarmm retail. uh and the number of
people that we saw on Saturday coming
for their their weekly shopping uh of
Summit Station's dairy products
that kind of dovetales into the
opportunity for value added
diversification. So not only onfarmm
retail or tourism but whether that's
onfarmm processing, packaging, storage
or other farm activities that could
strengthen farm viability.
uh in terms of technology and
sustainability. Um sort of in light of a
changing climate um increased frequency
and severity of um adverse weather
events um those technology and
innovation um advancements are really
important to um sort of be climate
resilient um and sort of increase
capacity and productivity in light of
those uh changing contexts. So that
could be um ranging from things like
automation uh water management, energy
efficiency and other climate resilient
improvements.
Looking at um the system uh investments
opportunities could be um better
logistics, port access partnerships or
infrastructure that could benefit the
sector collectively. Um so really
getting um
taking what's already been working so
well already uh and the the fantastic
asset that is the the port facility and
tapping into that to to reach that
broader network
on uh coordinated municipal action. Uh
we're at a time where staff are
beginning to initiate uh an official
plan review for rural Hamilton. So, uh,
it's a great time to be looking at
aligning the CIP or a future CIP, um,
with those policy gaps and and, um,
staff's sort of work in the future to to
look at modernizing those policies where
it's appropriate.
On the threat side, some things that are
outside the city's control. Um, one
thing in particular is the overlapping
approval requirements. So um there's in
certain areas um where the Niagara
escarment plan uh takes effect in rural
Hamilton um there's a municipal
development review system but then
there's also that provincial permitting
system that layers on top of it that can
create some increased complexity for
those projects in those areas. Uh so
it's something that you know if that
process gets overly complex or too
costly with technical studies that might
be required uh it can be a potential
threat to to business investment
uh as well the regional competition. So
next door in Niagara you have an
established uh agurism industry uh with
wineries, ceries, distilleries, um other
sort of pick your own or floral culture
u operations that um businesses in
Hamilton have to compete with
as well. Uh I mentioned before the high
land and c
uh or uh barriers from risk averse
lending uh or or lengthy approvals that
make investment planning really
difficult. Um if it takes it um a year
or or more to get your approvals um
having to sort of um line up the funding
can be uh can be a challenge. Also heard
about workforce and succession
pressures. So in light of labor
shortages, uh specialized skill gaps or
an aging farm population, how that
affects business continuity and growth
uh over the long term. And then as well
the risk of um economic, climate and
land use pressures with rising costs, uh
severe weather, uh encroachment of urban
development, uh affecting the
availability of prime agricultural land
and land use conflicts that can affect
farm resilience. The last real risk to
contend with that's important to frame
our recommendations is the risk of low
uh CIP uptake. So um participation might
remain limited if the incentives are too
small uh or if those uh processes uh
remain difficult to navigate.
So this kind of brings us to the four
priorities for an agriculture CIP that
uh will be important moving forward. The
first viewing the agra food system as an
opportunity for investment. The second
aligning uh the future program with
policy and funding requirements based on
the existing framework. The third
scaling uh program incentives uh and the
types of projects that will be
meaningful to incentivize. And the last
framing a supportive ecosystem and
accessible process uh to support uh
investment in the agricultural sector
and and creating those conditions for
investment um to to remove those
administrative barriers. I won't go into
too too much detail. It's a a recap of
what we just heard, but uh this is here
for you to go back to later if you want
to look at it in a bit more detail.
So the the next section will look at
recommendations. Uh we'll first look at
some strategic initiatives that the
municipality could take um before diving
into the specific uh incentives or
program streams. Um we've paired this
off in two ways. The the strategic
initiatives might be something that are
um sort of longer range priorities that
might take a little bit more time to to
move the needle on. uh whereas the the
financial incentives could be smaller
wins or those lowhanging fruits to to
get the ball rolling uh and start uh
making some real on the ground change.
So the first uh the suggested
initiatives for the city uh are kind of
in three bullet points. Uh the first
looking at opportunities to leverage
large-scale investments in rural
infrastructure. This could be working
with external agencies to expand
capacity for electricity and natural gas
in rural Hamilton and increasing access
to rural broad highspeed broadband
internet.
The second uh investing in dedicated
staff resources. Um as we mentioned
earlier, this could be something like a
dedicated planning personnel to uh
review development applications in the
rural area that has sort of dedicated
expertise and and specialized knowledge
of um agricultural operations. Uh it
could also be a dedicated staff to
administer the CIP for the rural area
that could assist with application
intake. So that could look like somebody
that's familiar with the program,
familiar with farm operations, uh, and
has relationships with farmers and
operators in the area. That could even
go out to the farm, um, with an
application form, interview the farmer
or the operator, uh, and help them uh,
fill out the application form uh, and
even do a site visit to sort of
understand the the concept of what the
farmer is trying to do uh, and the scale
of the improvements that are
contemplated.
The last thing would be to consider
policy updates whether that's for
clarity, flexibility or reflecting
common practice that's evolved um as
sort of contemporary farming practices
have um which could occur as part of the
rural Hamilton official plan update uh
and later zoning bylaw update um and
that it could include looking at things
like renewable energy uses at different
scales um onfarmm diversified uses um
where permissible under the the criteria
from the province
um looking at events and temporary
agurism uses. Um and uh looking at sort
of historically um the different minor
variances that are granted for
agriculture agriculture related and on
from diversified uses. If there are
common patterns of um specific
provisions that are triggering the same
type of application over and over again,
maybe that's an opportunity to modernize
those regulations uh and and reduce that
administrative barrier. that's um
affecting not just one but many property
owners.
So these would be things that uh would
take sort of a a municipalwide or
sectorwide approach um that would go in
tandem with the the property level or um
specific [snorts] um landowner uh
initiatives that would be um sort of
more financially focused.
So, in this next section, I'm going to
talk through um some of the goals and
objectives, what some of those incentive
types could look like and how they could
be structured. Um some considerations
for city staff in you know, if this
project moves forward and how they
structure those uh the administrative
side of of the the program's uh
implementation and then finally a sort
of framework for monitoring and
evaluation.
So this is a bit of a draft of you know
the goals and objectives the outcomes
that the uh the CIP could look to um to
achieve. So we I've structured it on on
sort of four themes. The first being
farm business viability and resilience,
the second agood growth and
diversification.
The third improving conditions for
agricultural investment and the fourth
workforce development and succession
planning. Um so these goals are
structured and sort of intended to
answer the basic question of what change
should a future agricultural CIP
produce.
I uh the report does provide some more
detailed goals and objectives, but I've
I've simplified them here for tonight's
presentation. Um, the first desired
outcome is a strong base of farm
operations that are successful long
term, competitive, adaptable, and
resilient. For some operators, that
might mean modernizing equipment or
facilities, and for others, it might be
improving efficiency, adapting to
climate and market pressures, or
preparing for succession.
The second on diversification, value
added activity, and growth across the
aggra food economy. Um, that could
include reducing reliance on a single
commodity or revenue source. uh
remaining appropriately scaled and
compatible with surrounding agriculture
and supported by policy. Um while at the
same time uh tapping into that
opportunity to extend beyond production
to processing, storage, distribution,
innovation and direct to consumer
activity and strengthening those
connections to help retain more of that
economic value locally.
The third being that improved
environment for investment. if
businesses can't understand or navigate
those municipal requirements, the
availability of funding is unlikely to
be enough. So, looking at structurally
how to to set the those businesses up
for success and really help to um
deliver on that collaborative
relationship between city staff and and
the farm community. Uh and the final
area being workforce and succession. So
uh understanding that labor shortages
affect the availability of farms to um
operate and expand while at the same
time the future of the sector depends on
whether those new young and first
generation farmers can see a viable path
into agriculture.
And all of these goals and objectives
are deliberate deliberately outcome
focused. Um, so they could provide a
basis for selecting program streams,
evaluating applications, and determining
over time whether the city's investment
is producing those meaningful results
you're looking for.
On the program streams, um, several
potential project types could be
considered as targets for incentives.
Not every project type will be
appropriate everywhere. um and its
inclusion in the CIP wouldn't
necessarily establish land use
permissions, but the city would sort of
structure those programs to reflect the
different points at which an otherwise
viable project might encounter a
barrier. So for some projects that might
be earlier on in the process where an
operator might need professional advice
or a technical study or a planning
application before knowing whether the
investment could proceed and assistance
at that stage could really help to
determine feasibility and and reduce
overall risk. For others, the main
hurdle might be the physical investment
that's required to expand production or
add processing or storage, improve
worker accommodation, manage storm
water, or create a visitor serving
component. Um, while recognizing that,
you know, those larger scale
improvements can be balanced with
smaller improvements that also matter.
So whether that's signage, branding,
parking, property improvements that
might help a farmer, a farm become more
visible. uh accessible and attractive to
not only customers but also suppliers
and visitors and really build that brand
recognition and reputation.
Um I'll note here that the intention is
not to create a grant for every possible
expense but rather focus on uh
investments that advance an identified
public objective where municipal
assistance could really materially
influence the project's timing or its
scope or its feasibility. So funding
projects that wouldn't otherwise move
forward without that assistance.
I'll note that the final program streams
should also be screened against the
planning framework uh so that
eligibility remains aligned with the
official plan, zoning bylaw, provincial
policy and other applicable
requirements.
So, a really broad range of different
project types all the way from building
retrofit renovation, farm labor
residents, uh planning applications or
building permit fees, agurism uses, uh
green infrastructure or low impact
development practices for storm water
management, property beautifification,
grants for professional services, um all
the way to to farm business succession
planning.
In terms of the administrative side to
how incentives are structured, um we
heard really loud and clear that how the
program is delivered is just as
important as what it funds. So the
credibility will depend heavily on the
applicant experience. We've structured
some recommendations around four key
principles. Uh it being simple and
proportionate, guided and coordinated,
uh predictable and supportive and
practical. So um applying for incentives
should be simple uh should match the
scale of the incentives that are being
offered guided and coordinated by
internal city staff. Um receiving clear
information about what's required when
uh who might be involved and what next
steps will be as they play out. Um and
establishing sort of all of that from
the outset so that it's a really clear
[snorts] framework.
Um the city will also kind of need to
decide how to allocate limited funding.
So some other considerations as this
moves forward is the scale of funding
that's allocated whether there's fewer
higher value incentives or smaller lower
value grants. Um how to approach
application intake uh and whether to
include an expedited or accelerated de
development review process for targeted
improvement projects.
The last uh is on monitoring and
evaluation. So um
designing a future program that as
something that can be tested, evaluated
and improved upon um as it's sort of
developed and implemented and put
forward. Um the measures that are shown
here are are just examples uh that could
be refined as the program's developed.
Um, I'll stress that, you know, c
counting applications and dollars
distributed will be sort of necessary
for accounting purposes and for
transparency, but it doesn't provide
that complete picture. So, we'd
recommend that city also asks whether
those supported projects leveraged
private investment, how they improved
production or efficiency, whether they
created new revenue streams, retained
businesses, addressed workforce needs,
or reduced barriers. And those process
measures will be just as important. Um
as if one of the projects object
objectives is to uh improve the
investment climate um the city could
track approval experiences and applicant
satisfaction as well not only just that
completed construction
and establishing this framework at the
outset will allow the city to refine
those underuse streams adjust funding
amounts uh and demonstrate the public
value that's generated through the
program.
So, I'll pass it over to Marilyn to
guide us through the last bit here.
>> Thanks, Rebecca. Um, [snorts] and thank
you all. We've come to the end of our um
presentation on the recommendations and
and what's been done to date. Um, we had
hoped to um grab a bit of discussion and
gather your input at this point in the
evening, but I know we are approaching
time. So, um, I'll maybe hand it back to
the chair, um, and, uh, just add that
we'd really welcome any feedback you
have, um, as our next step is refining
these into the final recommendations
report. Thank you.
>> All right. Thanks, Marilyn. And, uh,
Rebecca, are there any questions on the
report?
Yes. Uh my question is that I just saw
one in one slide that uh in the during
the year 2024
uh there were more than 3,200 agree
business in Hamilton and they employed
uh more than 26,000 people. Uh my
question is that is are uh these
employees are local Canadian or offshore
workers seasonal workers.
>> Thank you through you um Mr. Chair
that's that's a Waterlue Economic
Development Corporation's data. So, I'd
have to go back and check um their
sources and and specifically, but I'm
assuming that's data from the the labor
survey that they've done um that
Statistics Canada puts out. Um so, I'm
assuming that's um I'm going to assume
that that is permanent full-time
employment um for residents. So, I'm I'm
not sure if that includes things like
temporary foreign workers. Um and I'm
sorry, I don't have that answer for you
at this time.
No problem. Thank you for responding.
>> Are there other questions on the report?
>> Councelor McMakin has a question.
>> Go ahead.
>> Yeah, thanks Chair. Um,
you know, different figures are quoted
for different types of programs in
different areas. Um uh how much money
are we talking about and where is it
coming from? And are there limits uh uh
to
the kind of support fiscal support that
uh that could be had? Is is this a um
well I'll just leave it there. Where
where's the money coming from and how
much is it?
I can answer that Drew if that's okay
through
>> the chair. No, that's a it's a great
question councelor McBen and at this
stage with this just being a feasibility
study that that's just what this is
right now. So if if we come back to
council with an idea as to we want to
proceed with putting together a a CIP,
that is where we'll be coming back to
council to identify um budget sources,
budgets amount. So right now we don't
have uh a funding source identified for
this program specifically.
um that that's something where depending
on the [clears throat] kinds of funding
streams, the amounts we would be looking
for council approval or direction on
that counselor. So at at this stage we
have not committed uh funding or a
funding source.
Is would the intent be to have a shared
sense of purpose with with the other
levels of government or is it intended
to be strictly a municipal launch?
>> Through the chair, ideally through with
this being a community improvement plan,
it would be a city launch. Now, we would
look to see how our program would
interact with federal or provincial
levels of funding. I know what there's
there's sometimes issues when it comes
to um stacking of funding. So we would
ensure similar to our the other CIP
programs we have for the downtown or the
commercial districts, we'll ensure that
um our our programs are not uh
duplicating but more comp complementing
any federal provincial funding that that
may be secured for similar types of
projects or investment.
>> Okay, that's helpful. It just uh it just
occurs to me that uh you you know we
don't spend as much time perhaps as uh
as we need to or some of us would like
to around developing partners with uh
with other other levels of government uh
I would I would think
that uh to the extent that this is
innovative and uh obviously adding to a
substantial
potentially substantial
GDP be contribution in the province that
there there there might might be some um
benefit to uh opening a window of
discussion with respect to building a
partnership around some some kind of
innovation
>> through you Mr. Chair if I might uh add
to Mr. McMahon's comments in response to
councelor McMakin. Um there might also
be availability through the rural
Ontario development uh fund that
supported this feasibility study and
could advance um future work if council
were to consider developing a CIP
further from uh the results of this
business case. Um it's my understanding
that that could be up to uh
approximately $50,000
uh with 50% matching between the city
and the province uh towards developing
what that CIP framework could look like.
And there might be other opportunities
through um through rod funding or other
um economic development streams
available through the province to
advance that. Uh so it might be
something to consider uh looking into
further.
>> That's that's kind of what I wanted to
hear. Thanks.
I'll just add that another possibility
down the road is coming out of the
national food security strategy that the
fed federal government's putting
together and there are opportunities
there but uh some of the details aren't
being haven't been flushed out yet. So
as those things uh come to life there
might be more opportunities down the
road.
Um Mark Tass did I see your you unmuted.
Did you have a question?
Maybe not.
Okay. Are there any other questions on
the report?
>> What's the timeline for presentation to
council?
Again,
>> thank you through you, chair. Um it's
still somewhat to be determined um given
the election timing. So um I think
that's something that we'll be
discussing uh with uh Tyson and uh
[snorts] determining over unless Tyson
you want to add anything to that.
>> No thank you through the chair through
the chair. Marilyn, you're right. Yeah.
So, we're and we would love to take this
back uh later this year, but I think
just depending on with with the election
and and the new council coming on board,
I think we're just want to make sure we
we time this right. But definitely,
Drew, um timing wise, we're looking at
end of this year, early next year at the
very latest to bring back uh
recommendations to to council.
>> All right.
Is there anything else uh anybody wants
to add on this?
>> Uh can I could I have the the floor?
>> Yeah, go ahead. Um just one thing uh I
know on the discussion slide and maybe
we don't want to get too deep into
discussion but uh you had said a point
where there was uh what stakeholder
engagement or industry uh informed
priorities were surprising or
interesting and I think the thing that
really jumped out to me from your
presentation and from the reading the
slide deck beforehand as well um was
just the the weaknesses identified as
far as um some of the processes in the
city being cumbersome to um navigate.
Uh, and so I think um the only thing
that I I would I think like to highlight
from that as well is just hopefully
whatever this form this grant takes
doesn't mirror that issue as well and
that it would be something that would be
easy to navigate and something that
would be um because especially if the
grants end up on the smaller side. um it
can be difficult to even justify going
and you you've identified that well and
so I think well good kudos to you for
for highlighting that well but also
hopefully whatever recommendations flow
out of this that's taken well into
consideration and maybe as an added
point to that as well is like uh I think
just internally in my own farm business
I think the biggest barrier to
improvement often is jumping through the
hurdles um and so the community
investment plan sounds like a great
opportunity
but also just an encouragement to the
city as a whole to streamline some of
those processes if we want to see the a
sector flourish.
That's probably the main area to
improve, but more so even than handing
out money. We've identified a lot of
strengths. We've identified a lot of
opportunities. So, how do we just keep
those investments flowing easily?
>> Drew
>> Mark,
>> sorry. Yeah, I uh I was on two
>> Yeah, I was on two separate uh feeds and
I couldn't talk and I couldn't see for
myself from the one and I couldn't talk
in the other. So, I think I got it
figured out. Um is Drew is this
something that maybe the city should
consider taking to Roma and delegating
for?
>> Yeah, I think so. you know, just going
back to the, you know, multiple layers
of funding approach.
>> Certainly, uh, you know, I think I think
this is why we're here because we did
take that ask to, uh, to Roma and and
access some of that rod funding and,
>> you know, if we can carry that
discussion on and and find other revenue
streams going forward, I think that's a
good idea.
>> Okay. And we also have, you know, a
whole system in the mayor's office
basically that all they do is they look
for grant money. So we should probably
address those Tyson those people and I'm
sure you are doing it already. Is that
true Tyson?
>> The chair uh councelor Tadson. Yeah
that's right. So we we definitely
coordinate on what type of incentives or
funding are available and and to your
earlier point I think this would be a
good thing to bring forward at Roma just
to a demonstrate the work of the
initiatives that we're looking at but
also to Drew's point what kind of other
levels of funding could we access to
further support this CIP as well as uh
some of those infrastructure constraints
that I know we've identified in this
study but also that that we've I think
we've talked to at length over the past
few years when it comes to how that
infrastructure uh sometimes is an
impediment to those uh larger
investments we would have in the city.
>> Okay, thanks Tyson and Drew. That's
everything from me except I just wanted
to say kudos to uh Ted McMegan for
showing up tonight.
>> Ted's coming in.
>> Yeah, I mean like the only guy in
person. That's what I mean.
>> Ted and Carrie, they're having a great
time down there.
uh wanted to reiterate some of Daniel's
comments as well and uh you know I think
you've captured obviously I wasn't
involved in all the consultations but
certainly you've captured a lot of what
I had to say I think in some of those uh
discussions and I think it's um very
well done and a very thorough report um
that you've walked us through tonight.
So yeah, I think if there are uh you
know future changes, we'd probably like
to get a glimpse of them before it goes
to council. But uh by and large, I think
you've got a good document here.
>> Thank you very much. And I wanted to
thank you all for the the time and
attention tonight. Uh it's been great to
have the opportunity to share uh our
findings with you and uh to receive your
feedback tonight. So so thank you.
And you're still
>> Yeah, you're still open to feedback. Uh
if anybody comes up with anything over
the next little while.
>> Absolutely. I'll I'll make sure that
Tyson shares our contact information
around. Um you can email either Marilyn
or myself or if you direct it through
Tyson, he'll make sure it finds its way
into our inboxes and uh happy to receive
those thoughts after tonight's
presentation.
>> Sounds good. Well, thank you very much.
Thank you. Good night. Thank you.
>> Can I get a mover and a seconder to
receive the presentation 7.1?
Councelor Tatterson and Daniel
Vanderhout.
Uh, anyone opposed to that?
I'll call that carried.
And that's all that's on my agenda. Was
there any other business?
Seeing none, I've got two kids to put
the bed. So, I will look for a motion to
adjourn.
>> We don't need a motion.
>> We don't need a motion. All right.
>> Just adjourn us at the time.
>> We're adjourned at 8:25. Thanks
everyone. Have a good night. Happy
voting in the election.